# Terri Schivo. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 22, 2005, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130 "2005-03-22T07:27:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/41 "2005-03-22T18:36:15Z")
> [@Sight N Sound](#): > > Wrong, He can not legally divorce because of the state of mind she is in. Thats what the problem is. You can go look it up If you want I’m tired of looking up laws and codes for other people. well then if that is the case try him for bigamy. the state sees him as married to his common law wife. on top of the fact he didn’t want to do any of this till 7 years ago when he found out the money he can get from her passing away. he has kids to this common law wife and has lived with her for the last 10 years. I think he is pretty much a POS and needs to give control to the parents/brother/sister. Not to mention that no one really knows if she wanted him to pull the plug since she has no living will. I also don’t believe she is a vegtable. she follows things that you move in front of her which means she has brain function. also the fact that her heart and lungs work on their own shows her brain works. to me she seems like more of a quadroplegic(sp) then a vegtable. ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/42 "2005-03-22T19:52:25Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > I also don’t believe she is a vegtable. she follows things that you move in front of her which means she has brain function. also the fact that her heart and lungs work on their own shows her brain works. to me she seems like more of a quadroplegic(sp) then a vegtable. 🤣 First how the hell do you know how she reacts to things are you down there? Also if you can’t feed yourself and you have been sitting in a bed for 15 years you are a baked potato. All my comments were based on reading what doctors have been saying. and i said _ **IF** _ what the doctors are saying is true then they should let her pass with dignity and stop being so blinded by religion. Which is where I’m sure you will try to turn this whole thread since everytime religion comes up with you its seems to be 100 percent fact. Second, since he is married to her (terri), just because he lives with the other woman and has kids to her doesn’t mean shit in the courts. All she (the current woman)is to the courts is some one he has kids with and resides. Common Law marrige can not take place due to him already being married. I refuse to talk religion in this thread. Facts are facts and everything I said about her state is based on the facts and if they are correct. Hypothedical motives and your disapproval of his “lifestyle” are playing no part on my views and I’m not discussing them due to NO ONE except Terri’s husband knowing the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/43 "2005-03-22T20:02:22Z")
She was doable before she turned into a lemon. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/44 "2005-03-22T20:43:29Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > well then if that is the case try him for bigamy. the state sees him as married to his common law wife. on top of the fact he didn’t want to do any of this till 7 years ago when he found out the money he can get from her passing away. bigamy? 🤣 money? 🤣 he’s been offered over a million dollars to hand over his control to her parents. he refused. not exactly the actions of someone thats in it for the money. > he has kids to this common law wife and has lived with her for the last 10 years. I think he is pretty much a POS and needs to give control to the parents/brother/sister. Not to mention that no one really knows if she wanted him to pull the plug since she has no living will. yeah he is such a piece of shit for moving on with his life. and he lived with her, and there are multiple witnesses that state she said she did not want to live in this state. Im the same way, ive told my girlfriend this but I dont have a living will. How many people our age do you know that have living wills? > I also don’t believe she is a vegtable. she follows things that you move in front of her which means she has brain function. also the fact that her heart and lungs work on their own shows her brain works. to me she seems like more of a quadroplegic(sp) then a vegtable. ahhh here we go. Sammy knows all. Sammy knows more than neurosurgeons. Sammy says shes not really a vegetable because she moves her head around and moans. she cant eat, talk, walk, feed herself, feel pain or emotion, or have cognative thoughts. Yeah, that doesnt sound like a vegetable to me. :ugh: ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/45 "2005-03-22T20:44:40Z")
> [@Sight N Sound](#): > > I refuse to talk religion in this thread. Facts are facts and everything I said about her state is based on the facts and if they are correct. religion and facts go together like oil and water. ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/46 "2005-03-22T20:47:49Z")
> [@SHAG](#): > > She was doable before she turned into a lemon. now that was low ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/47 "2005-03-22T20:49:22Z")
> [@BlkP42E](#): > > now that was low the choice of wording was off, but his point is true. She did used to be a hottie. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/48 "2005-03-22T21:26:51Z")
Mike actually a nerosurgeon is trying to get the tube readministered because of the fact she isn’t a vegtable. and how do they know if she feels pain?. Fact of the matter isn’t religious at all. the state acknowledged his common law marriage(look it up if you want). He waited 7 years to find out she had a crap load of insureance if she dies and that is why he wants her off the tubes. Her body has all the functions you have but speech and movement. PS- Mike I never mentioned religion at all. the fact she is a living breathing person ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2005, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/49 "2005-03-22T21:33:43Z")
> [@Darkstar](#): > > the choice of wording was off, but his point is true. She did used to be a hottie. wording, Ummm no. She’s litterally sippin on gin and juice… or \*WAS ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/50 "2005-03-23T03:47:50Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > Mike actually a nerosurgeon is trying to get the tube readministered because of the fact she isn’t a vegtable. and how do they know if she feels pain?. the non-biased, court appointed neurosurgeon said she’s a vegetable. She told numerous people that if in this condition, she wouldnt want to live. the courts have ruled that sufficient evidence was given to back all of this up, so they are doing the right thing and ordering the tube out. Thank goodness the courts prevailed over those braindead fucks on capitol hill, not to mention the one in the White House. > Fact of the matter isn’t religious at all. the state acknowledged his common law marriage(look it up if you want). He waited 7 years to find out she had a crap load of insureance if she dies and that is why he wants her off the tubes. Her body has all the functions you have but speech and movement. THERES NO FUCKING MONEY! show me a link, an article, ANYTHING LEGITAMITE that shows proof that he stands to profit from her death. If there was money to be gained, it would have been brought up in court, and would be a matter of the public record. I guarantee you FoxNews or some other sleaze organization would be bringing it up every 10 seconds if this was the case. But it isnt. So stop blabbing about that until you show some proof. And she doesnt have all the functions of us besides speach and movement. She cannot think, she cannot feel, she cannot smell. shes not aware of her surroundings. she’s a hair away from being brain dead. She’s a VEGETABLE. > PS- Mike I never mentioned religion at all. the fact she is a living breathing person whats so bad about dying? Its gonna happen to everyone eventually. Even if they were to make some progress with this woman, its not like a coma where she’s gonna snap out of it and be ok. Shes gonna be an incoherent, drueling, incapable retard. I sure as shit wouldnt want to live like that. Why must we prolong our suffering and humiliaion when we know the inevitable is just around the corner? Hows come when we have a dog or cat that is dying, we can put it to sleep to stop its suffering, but we dont have the same amount of compassion and respect for humans? Society has managed to put itself on the wrong side of a double standard in which we are losing out to pets. If Fido is old and is in so much pain he cant walk or eat or control his bowels, we put him to sleep. But if its great grandma Ida thats wasting away who wants to end her life on her own terms with a little bit of dignity left, tough fucking luck. Its bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/51 "2005-03-23T03:55:20Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > Her body has all the functions you have but speech and movement. She can’t eat on her own. In the medical field its call “failure to thrive” which the only way to survive is by artifical life support. Thus SHE CAN NOT FUNCTION ON HER OWN. ---
**Author:** ![Pewter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pewter/32/5936_2.png) [@Pewter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pewter)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/52 "2005-03-23T04:22:06Z")
> [@Sight N Sound](#): > > She can’t eat on her own. In the medical field its call “failure to thrive” which the only way to survive is by artifical life support. Thus SHE CAN NOT FUNCTION ON HER OWN. yes she can,he wont let her,wife told me the whole story ,she been following it ,KILL HIM! ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/53 "2005-03-23T04:34:40Z")
> [@PewterSS](#): > > yes she can,he wont let her,wife told me the whole story ,she been following it ,KILL HIM! she can not eat on her own. If she could there would be no reason for the feeding tube and this story would not be an issue at all. ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/54 "2005-03-23T04:40:37Z")
> [@PewterSS](#): > > yes she can,he wont let her,wife told me the whole story ,she been following it ,KILL HIM! how can she feed herslef??? she cant move her arms…cant move her legs…how can she eat??? is she going to get up and walk to the fridge and make a ham sandwich and eat it own her own?? NO!!! she has nothing to live for…she wont get better…ever!! id let her pass away…but not starving her…id see if she could get the lethal injection ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/55 "2005-03-23T04:41:14Z")
Here read this without asking for cliffnotes. Especially the undelined portion… > CLEVELAND-Patients in a persistent vegetative state like Terri Schiavo are a subgroup who suffer severe anoxic brain injury and progress to a state of wakefulness without awareness. > > It is judged to be permanent after three months if induced nontraumatically. After 3 months, recovery is rare and life expectancy is approximately 2 to 5 years. > > Patients in a persistent vegetative state do not feel pain, nor do they “suffer,” says Michael De Georgia, MD, head of the neurology-neurosurgery intensive care unit at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation here. > > Pain, as well as suffering, requires consciousness, which is lacking in a person in a persistent vegetative state, says Dr. De Georgia. > > “Certainly these patients don’t suffer,” he adds. “Suffering is really that whole emotional aspect of pain: fear, anxiety, panic surrounding pain. You have to have consciousness to experience these emotions. So just as a person in a persistent vegetative state can’t experience pain because of a lack of consciousness, they also don’t suffer.” > > The issue of the potential pain and suffering of Schiavo, 41, the Florida woman who doctors say has been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, has become a national cause celebre. On Friday doctors at a Florida hospice removed Ms. Schiavo’s feeding tube after a Florida judge approved the action. Since then President Bush signed a rapidly approved law that puts her fate in the hands of a federal court judge. A federal judge in Florida then refused to order doctors to reinsert the feeding tube, and the Schindlers’ lawyers said they intend to appeal immediately to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals based in Atlanta. > > This marks the third time Ms. Schiavo has been taken off parenteral nutrition during a long and contentious legal battle between her husband - Michael Schiavo who says his wife would want the tube removed - and Ms. Schiavo’s parents who steadfastly maintain that their daughter would not want the tube removed. The parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, say their daughter responds to them and is not in a persistent vegetative state. > > _Dr. DeGeorgia says that a patient in a persistent vegetative state can experience arousal, meaning that the patient’s eyes may be open and the patient may laugh, cry or appear to track someone who is in the room._ > > > > **And that is what can be confusing for people, especially relatives,** he says. “For example, a patient in persistent vegetative state will grasp your hand. In fact if you put anything into the patient’s hand, the hand will grasp it. But this is a very primitive reaction. A newborn baby will grasp your finger, but there is no consciousness.” > > It is consciousness that determines whether one can “feel” pain in the sense that most people understand when they talk about feeling pain. > > This doesn’t mean that a patient like Terri Schiavo won’t respond to pain stimulus - if you pinch her arm, she is like to flinch away. “That is called nociception,” De Georgia says. “Tissue is damaged by the pinch, this generates a response in a receptor, which sends an impulse along the peripheral nerves. This impulse travels to the thalamus, which directs the arm to withdraw,” he said. It is what is commonly called a reflex. > > _Pain, on the other hand, is the recognition of nociception by the nervous system, which sends the impulse to regions of the brain where consciousness exists. In the case of a severely brain injured person - one in a persistent vegetative state - those areas of consciousness have been destroyed, and as result “they don’t ‘feel’ pain.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/56 "2005-03-23T04:45:41Z")
sight n sound steppin up with a great find!!! ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/57 "2005-03-23T04:47:21Z")
> [@95greenZ](#): > > sight n sound steppin up with a great find!!! I’m not a Doctor but I deal with this stuff in the medical field day in and day out. Especially when I used to work in the field on the trucks. Its really sad. ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/58 "2005-03-23T04:52:22Z")
> [@Sight N Sound](#): > > I’m not a Doctor but I deal with this stuff in the medical field day in and day out. Especially when I used to work in the field on the trucks. Its really sad. i hear ya…my mom has to hold back crying when she goes into the burn unit at west penn hospital and she sees kids in there…she goes there tooo see there stats sometimes and decides what kind of meal they get!!! ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/59 "2005-03-23T05:24:10Z")
i didn’t read shit in this thread…i do’nt want to get into it, unless i’m bored as fuck later… i’m just 100% sick of hearing about it. ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2005, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130/60 "2005-03-23T05:29:22Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > .i do’nt want to get into it, unless i’m bored as fuck later… > > i’m just 100% sick of hearing about it. X2 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/terri-schivo/173130.md?page=4)