# Tesla's Autopilot **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 20, 2015, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157 "2015-10-20T05:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/21 "2016-07-01T07:58:31Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Not the issue here. The issue is the way Tesla has implemented this is extremely flawed. They’ve admitted the system isn’t ready to be a full time autopilot but have allowed it’s use in a way that encourages drivers to use it exactly in that manner. > [@Paulo](#): > > The computers can’t be distracted from what they are doing. You can. Your wife can. Other drivers around you can. These features being used as an assist have been proven to drastically reduce the chances of accidents. > > Not to mention that this is only the start. They will get better, smarter, safer from here. If it increases the chances of the people I love not being killed by someone texting and driving then I want as many on the road as possible. I’m not saying the system could be distracted or not monitoring. I’m saying I don’t trust that the system is reliable enough to make, or not make, a decision which would create or fail to prevent an accident. I just don’t feel comfortable putting my safety in the hands of something I don’t trust. ![http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1792244/thumbs/o-ROBOT-CAR-570.jpg?6](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/5/a/5a6b2c8f468d804cd640b58a3970534561e26935.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/22 "2016-07-01T08:02:15Z")
In the end, too, it’s basically impossible to completely eliminate accidents, even with autonomous vehicles. There are SO MANY environmental things that could occur while on the road, that NO manufacturer could ever imagine to develop for. Seriously, who would have thought that the sun glaring off the side of the truck would cause a detection issue? There are probably countless other fringe scenarios that would trip this thing up. Heck if a dear runs out in front of an autonomous vehicle on a busy highway, there is still bound to be a collision. Even if your confident the dear will be detected, you’re braking times may be unable to stop the car. And what if different cars have different braking distances (as they do now). Maybe a Tesla can stop before rear-ending the car in front of it, but the large autonomous SUV behind it can’t. There you’ve got a collision. If you significantly reduce the overall accidents and death rates, I think you’re still winning. However, I think there is a psychological issue at hand here. If a human crashes their car, it’s considered an accident. An accidental mistake made by a human. As serious as accidents are, we can usually forgive a human for this action. Or we at least punish them, as a one-off, using existing law enforcement. If an autonomous device causes an accident, then how do you place blame? “OMG ALL TESLAS ARE DEATH TRAPS!” How do we as a society cope with the thought that a vehicle or machine has caused a collision and death. It’s no longer though of as a human accident, it’s thought of as a computer system error. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/23 "2016-07-01T08:40:58Z")
As a software engineer I cringe thinking about writing the routines that have to deal with no win situations on an autopilot. Popular Mechanics had a great article explaining it. > **[Should Your Car Kill You To Save Other People?](https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a21492/the-self-driving-dilemma/)** > > Scientists investigate a tricky moral dilemma that machines will have to grapple with when cars drive themselves. Cliffs, your autopilot car is cruising down the road and 3 pedestrians jump out in front of you. In a millisecond the car knows it can’t stop in time. Should the autopilot swerve off the road? What if the only swerve option it has puts it into a wall likely to be an extreme crash or you? What if the only “out” left is into oncoming traffic? ---
**Author:** ![LowlyOilBurner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@LowlyOilBurner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LowlyOilBurner)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/24 "2016-07-01T09:50:03Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > As a software engineer I cringe thinking about writing the routines that have to deal with no win situations on an autopilot. > > Popular Mechanics had a great article explaining it. > > [http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a21492/the-self-driving-dilemma/](http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a21492/the-self-driving-dilemma/) > > Cliffs, your autopilot car is cruising down the road and 3 pedestrians jump out in front of you. In a millisecond the car knows it can’t stop in time. Should the autopilot swerve off the road? What if the only swerve option it has puts it into a wall likely to be an extreme crash or you? What if the only “out” left is into oncoming traffic? Yeah, good point. But, most pedestrian accidents happen in cities, where the speed limits are say, 25-35mph. Stopping a car at those speeds is a lot easier. How many times to you see people trying to cross a highway? My Volvo stops itself for pedestrians and cyclists at speeds under 35mph. I’ve tried it, it works. ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/25 "2016-07-01T10:17:36Z")
So just thinking here. Your car strikes / kills a pedestrian. Who’s responsible / liable for the incident? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/26 "2016-07-01T10:31:43Z")
> [@LowlyOilBurner](#): > > Yeah, good point. But, most pedestrian accidents happen in cities, where the speed limits are say, 25-35mph. Stopping a car at those speeds is a lot easier. How many times to you see people trying to cross a highway? My Volvo stops itself for pedestrians and cyclists at speeds under 35mph. I’ve tried it, it works. Right, but the city is also where pedestrians are far more likely to step out from between cars and leave you no time to stop. Besides that the Volvo system is a driver aid not an autopilot. There’s a huge difference there. Ultimately the driver is still responsible for every action in a car with driver aids. This is the difference of looking at it from a software engineering point of view vs not. Coding for how it will need to react the majority of the time is easy and that’s how most people think. Programming for all the exceptions is the part that takes a different mindset to write good code. When you’re dealing with a 4000lb object going 30-70mph you can’t just throw up an error message that says, “invalid input” when some lady pushes her baby carriage out from between two cars right into the path of your autopilot driven car just because there’s an oncoming car and no option to swerve. The human driver gets away with, “I didn’t have time to react”, but the autopilot car is going to have a log that shows it did have time and someone’s code decided to either hit the pedestrian or the oncoming car. ---
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/27 "2016-07-09T06:10:15Z")
Tesla openly says autopilot mode isn’t fully autonomous, you are supposed to monitor road conditions. I love driving for the sake of driving. But we will have fully autonomous driving cars in the future and it will be safer. But accidents will still happen. And then hopefully after that we will have some Jetsons type tube shit to transport us around. And even then someone will get cut in half from time to time when the blinker fluid in the regional flux capacitor goes low. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/28 "2016-07-11T09:42:57Z")
Buy Tesla Buy put options on Tesla stock Crash Tesla PROFIT $$$$$$$ Either way, Telsa is still the safest way to get road head on the market. I still think Comma.ai is gonna change the game a bit with how they are building learning into their app and not so much a defined set of rules. Started by the old iPhone and PlayStation jailbreaker Geohot. [http://comma.ai/](http://comma.ai/) ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/29 "2016-07-11T10:09:04Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Right, but the city is also where pedestrians are far more likely to step out from between cars and leave you no time to stop. Besides that the Volvo system is a driver aid not an autopilot. There’s a huge difference there. Ultimately the driver is still responsible for every action in a car with driver aids. > > This is the difference of looking at it from a software engineering point of view vs not. Coding for how it will need to react the majority of the time is easy and that’s how most people think. Programming for all the exceptions is the part that takes a different mindset to write good code. When you’re dealing with a 4000lb object going 30-70mph you can’t just throw up an error message that says, “invalid input” when some lady pushes her baby carriage out from between two cars right into the path of your autopilot driven car just because there’s an oncoming car and no option to swerve. **The human driver gets away with, “I didn’t have time to react”, but the autopilot car is going to have a log that shows it did have time and someone’s code decided to either hit the pedestrian or the oncoming car.** This, EXACTLY. Even if you reduce the risks significantly, you still deal with the psychological issue of assigning fault. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/30 "2016-07-11T10:39:18Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > I still think Comma.ai is gonna change the game a bit with how they are building learning into their app and not so much a defined set of rules. Started by the old iPhone and PlayStation jailbreaker Geohot. > > [http://comma.ai/](http://comma.ai/) Someone will buy it for a bunch and roll it into something else ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/31 "2016-07-11T11:10:06Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Someone will buy it for a bunch and roll it into something else Yea. Will see how profitable the consumer market is but eventually its gonna be driven by tech being licensed or bought into the manufacturers. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/32 "2019-10-31T16:18:45Z")
Woz says not happening: > **[Apple Co-founder Claims Autonomous Cars Aren't Happening](https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/10/apple-co-founder-claims-autonomous-cars-arent-happening/)** > > Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has officially given up on autonomous vehicles, despite previously being a major proponent of their advancement. “I stepped way back \[on\] this idea of Level 5. I’ve really given up,” Wozniak at last week’s J.D. Power... ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/33 "2019-10-31T17:40:36Z")
That article would be a lot better if it explained what Level 5 actually was. > **[The Future With Level 5 Autonomous Cars](https://www.forbes.com/sites/cognitiveworld/2019/06/20/the-future-with-level-5-autonomous-cars/#36f5a3ac4382)** > > Have you ever wondered about a future where fully autonomous cars dominate the roads effecting the way we live, work, and interact socially? Machines performing intelligent actions without human supervision is one of the long-time dreams for AI and... And yes, I agree with Woz that Level 5 is probably a long ways off. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/34 "2020-12-07T01:49:42Z")
Lol… whoops. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/6/6/660cd7c55cbd0ab0b7ea9af6e4b8b33b39eaeb8a.jpeg "Tesla Model 3 crashes into overturned truck on highway") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfmAG4dk-rU) ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/35 "2021-03-16T15:12:47Z")
> **[NHTSA investigating 'violent' Tesla crash into semi that left 2 critically...](https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nhtsa-investigating-violent-tesla-crash-semi)** > > NHTSA is investigating a "violent" crash between a semi-truck and a Tesla that T-boned its trailer, leaving two critically injured. Tesla’s autopilot seems to have a blind spot for giant white trucks and trailers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/36 "2021-03-16T23:15:24Z")
yowch. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/37 "2021-03-16T23:33:25Z")
Related: [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/3/6/3664a6ad0b8fa2020bec83490fc53d744d896ae8.jpeg "[FSD Beta 8.2] Oakland - Close Calls, Pedestrians, Bicycles!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs) ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/38 "2021-03-23T14:12:41Z")
I was just coming here to post this video. There’s NO WAY this should be legal to have in beta like this on public roads. I love the one comment, “Seems like a viable alternative to having a toddler drive you home”. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/39 "2023-01-04T03:32:00Z")
Yeah this isn’t good in snow yet… [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/9/e/9e8565bb0cf68f8c5a1c57e39ba26b996464b18b.jpeg "SUPER SCARY FSD BETA 10.69.25 Detroit MI") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swe1pXXgNo) ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2023, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157/40 "2023-01-10T06:05:57Z")
Hello I came back here and logged in to bump the Indian thread, it came up in conversation today and the examples I remembered got a good laugh from coworkers. I was sad to see it was closed. Anyway, autopilot is one of those things I was also super leery of until I experienced it firsthand. It’s fantastic. I do a lot of drives to Rochester and it feels like it goes by so much faster now. I’ve been driving a model 3 for a few weeks for Uber and I can stay out later, longer, and it’s so nice. You still have to pay attention and be ready to take over at any time. Full self driving isn’t quite there yet (but I’ve never used it) As far as snow performance, let’s just say I’m really happy I still have my AWD manual Element on falken wildpeaks as well 😬 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/teslas-autopilot/273157.md?page=3)