# The debate 06 R6 VS 06 636 **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [April 28, 2008, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648 "2008-04-28T07:23:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/1 "2008-04-28T07:23:33Z")
> [@psi2high](#): > > dude the r6 is noticeably faster then any other 600 R6 is a great bike, but it’s just not faster in a straight line. :headbang ---
**Author:** ![AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/amd_is_the_best/32/6342_2.png) [@AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AMD_IS_THE_BEST)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/2 "2008-04-28T09:47:38Z")
I am posting from experience, not paper. Like I told you, I have not been beat by any 600 in a straght line and those people on those bikes did know how to ride, and there was not a crazy unfair weight difference on any of them. Granted, I have not raced any Ducati’s. Nick ---
**Author:** ![Oleg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/oleg/32/6276_2.png) [@Oleg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oleg)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/3 "2008-04-28T09:52:17Z")
> [@AMD IS THE BEST](#): > > I am posting from experience, not paper. Like I told you, I have not been beat by any 600 in a straght line and those people on those bikes did know how to ride, and there was not a crazy unfair weight difference on any of them. Granted, I have not raced any Ducati’s. > > Nick apples to oranges. numbers don’t lie, personal experience on the other hand varies wildly. I’ll bet if people you raced were on r6s you wouldn’t have a photofinish either. you’re comparing riders, not bikes. ---
**Author:** ![AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/amd_is_the_best/32/6342_2.png) [@AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AMD_IS_THE_BEST)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/4 "2008-04-28T09:58:04Z")
> [@oleg](#): > > apples to oranges. > numbers don’t lie, personal experience on the other hand varies wildly. > I’ll bet if people you raced were on r6s you wouldn’t have a photofinish either. > you’re comparing riders, not bikes. And like I said, these were all better riders then myself. I also consistently had a higher trap speed in the quarter mile then my brothers 2007 GSXR 600 but he is by far a superior rider. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/5 "2008-04-28T09:58:38Z")
> [@AMD IS THE BEST](#): > > I am posting from experience, not paper. Like I told you, I have not been beat by any 600 in a straght line and those people on those bikes did know how to ride, and there was not a crazy unfair weight difference on any of them. Granted, I have not raced any Ducati’s. > > Nick I know and I didn’t argue with you on that, we also agreed you’ve never really went against the 636 and we were left to our opinions. However when I saw the ps2high statement I couldn’t hold myself back, there are obviously two 600’s which are faster. Statements like his not backed up rub me in a wrong way. > [@AMD IS THE BEST](#): > > And like I said, these were all better riders then myself. I also consistently had a higher trap speed in the quarter mile then my brothers 2007 GSXR 600 but he is by far a superior rider. Good twisties rider does not make a good 1/4 mile rider. You can tell who will win and who will lose just by looking at your 60’. ---
**Author:** ![Oleg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/oleg/32/6276_2.png) [@Oleg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oleg)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/6 "2008-04-28T10:00:31Z")
> [@AMD IS THE BEST](#): > > And like I said, these were all better riders then myself. I also consistently had a higher trap speed in the quarter mile then my brothers 2007 GSXR 600 but he is by far a superior rider. why don’t you swap bikes with him for shits and giggles and see if that theory holds water. maybe he’s just not as good as you think he is. ---
**Author:** ![JRubino](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jrubino/32/6285_2.png) [@JRubino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JRubino)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/7 "2008-04-28T10:05:22Z")
Matt runs I think a 11.02 1/4 mile time on his GSXR 600. There aren’t many riders around here that are doing that, let alone on a 600 either. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/8 "2008-04-28T10:10:31Z")
> [@oleg](#): > > why don’t you swap bikes with him for shits and giggles and see if that theory holds water. > maybe he’s just not as good as you think he is. i believe they have. and if you knew either of them personally you would know his brother is a much better rider, he rides whenever he can and is a very good motocross rider as well… **real world numbers DONT LIE** ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/9 "2008-04-28T10:11:21Z")
> [@JRubino](#): > > Matt runs I think a 11.02 1/4 mile time on his GSXR 600. There aren’t many riders around here that are doing that, let alone on a 600 either. Yep, when nobody around can reach the pro times, obviously each bikes true limit is being held by the rider, so the typical bike vs bike race will never be a good comparison of which bike is faster. However dyno graphs and consistent runs with one rider on all bikes is a much better testament. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/10 "2008-04-28T10:12:51Z")
take note of the \* text on the bottom in reference to the ZX-6R… ---
**Author:** ![Oleg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/oleg/32/6276_2.png) [@Oleg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oleg)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/11 "2008-04-28T10:13:33Z")
> [@Mk4 30R](#): > > **real world numbers DONT LIE** what do you think dyno charts are? numbers will always be skewed when there is a rider in the equation. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/12 "2008-04-28T10:14:35Z")
those arent real world numbers if they are using a eurospec ZX-6R as we dont have those here. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/13 "2008-04-28T10:15:37Z")
> [@Mk4 30R](#): > > **real world numbers DONT LIE** Inconsistent tests in an uncontrolled environment with a million factors are completely irrelevant as to the testament to which machine is faster. The bike makes the least tq and the least hp across the board to get a little at top end, there is no way you can argue that the machine is faster. Apparently Nick is a better drag racer then his brother, simple as that. > [@Mk4 30R](#): > > those arent real world numbers if they are using a eurospec ZX-6R as we dont have those here. > [@Mk4 30R](#): > > take note of the \* text on the bottom in reference to the ZX-6R… The “jumper” mod which tricks the ECU into thinking it’s European has been argued whether or not it adds any horsepower at all, and if it indeed does it’s 1-2hp at the last 1000rpm’s. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/14 "2008-04-28T10:18:06Z")
“1-2” hp is alot on a 360lb machine especially in the last stretch of its rev range. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/15 "2008-04-28T10:21:41Z")
> [@Mk4 30R](#): > > “1-2” hp is alot on a 360lb machine especially in the last stretch of its rev range. So the 1/4 mile times are inconsistent because of the “jumper” mod. The weight is the same between the two bikes. And the 636 makes more HP and more TQ across the range, so does the Daytona, so how R6 faster? _Dyno pulls do not have the "_" correction to the ECU… ---
**Author:** ![Oleg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/oleg/32/6276_2.png) [@Oleg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oleg)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/16 "2008-04-28T10:24:24Z")
> [@Vovchandr](#): > > And the 636 makes more HP and more TQ across the range, so does the Daytona, so how R6 faster? **magic!** ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/17 "2008-04-28T10:25:58Z")
it doesnt say it wasnt setup that way, it says Runs at the end of the dyno and acceleration tests section, why would they race it, but not dyno it that way? makes no sense,those would be FALSE FIGURES ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/18 "2008-04-28T10:29:03Z")
and apparently neither of you know a thing about 60’ times in relation to ELAPSED TIME/Trap speed. the ZX6 appears to be easier to launch as it picks up .1x on the 60’ time over the R6 which would let it pick up a few tenths on the other end. with a rider who is experienced to the characteristics of the R6 vs the ZX-6R, the R6 in theory would accel, one test means nothing compared to real world use ---
**Author:** ![AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/amd_is_the_best/32/6342_2.png) [@AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AMD_IS_THE_BEST)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/19 "2008-04-28T10:29:38Z")
![http://images.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0607_01_z+600cc_shootout+dynochart_hp_copy.jpg](http://images.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0607_01_z+600cc_shootout+dynochart_hp_copy.jpg) [http://www.motorcycledaily.com/23june06\_supersport.html](http://www.motorcycledaily.com/23june06_supersport.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-debate-06-r6-vs-06-636/236648/20 "2008-04-28T10:30:22Z")
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