# The gun debate **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 7, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-gun-debate/262604 "2012-02-07T15:00:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 7
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-gun-debate/262604/7 "2012-02-08T11:14:52Z")
> [@FS: random stuff laying around \*\*\*Updated\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-random-stuff-laying-around-updated/45650/19): > > ORLY? What schools have you been to where a professor allows Wikipedia as a source? Oh, just some school you heard about on the internet? Oh ok, must be legit then. If you’re gonna argue that, at least have the decency to link me to Wiki’s source directly, not Wiki as a blanket source. Go to SUNY Albany. Where did I EVER say it’s “schools I heard about on the internet?” Stop putting words in my mouth. I can use Wiki as a source all I want, if you don’t like it a source feel free to find other sourced disproving it. Until then, I and the rest of the world use Wiki as one of the primary sources that sum up other sources in a easy to read and digest way. > [@FS: random stuff laying around \*\*\*Updated\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-random-stuff-laying-around-updated/45650/19): > > Vlad, I don’t know if you’re having reading comprehension issues, or just enjoy showing ignorance, but did I EVER say anything about homicide rates or gun crimes? No. I simply said violent crimes, which include homicide (which is the only crime you’re willing to look at statistics for), assault, robbery/burglary, etc… You’re trying to break it down further into one specific type of crime in which I’m not even trying to argue because that is not what the argument was about in the first place. Sure, the US has more murders and gun crimes and I’m sure that’s because we allow our citizens to have the freedom to own guns without jumping through too many hoops, but can it be proven? Nope. Cossey “Fruits are bad for you” me “Oranges aren’t bad” Cossey “Where did I say Oranges are bad? I know it’s a fruit, but you aren’t allowing to use blanket statements by breaking it down further” > [@FS: random stuff laying around \*\*\*Updated\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-random-stuff-laying-around-updated/45650/19): > > I’d like to see where in this argument I said anything about blaming one political party for all of this. Oh, that’s right, because I didn’t. A for effort. F for execution. And also, because you are arguing that their violent crime rate has nothing to do with their gun laws, I’m assuming that you can PROVE it has nothing to do with them? Please, provide me proof from a legitimate source. Good luck in your search. Where did I say that their crime rate has nothing to do with their gun laws? > [@FS: random stuff laying around \*\*\*Updated\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-random-stuff-laying-around-updated/45650/19): > > Did I ever say that if everyone had guns, there’d be no crime? Nope. Thanks for playing though. There will ALWAYS be crime, no matter how loose or strict gun ownership laws are. Just like you will always argue with people when you don’t fully understand the argument to begin with. When did I ever say that you said that? Nope I didn’t. Thanks for playing. I mentioned a hypothetical counter point by you on an extreme, which also didn’t make sense. > [@FS: random stuff laying around \*\*\*Updated\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-random-stuff-laying-around-updated/45650/19): > > You’re a lost cause to argue with. You’re so stubborn and refuse to see any reason to compromise, and then when you realize you’re wrong, you try to turn the debate into something it isn’t. Then stop arguing with me. And it’s cute how you say I turn a debate into something that it isn’t as you’re bringing my personal self into a debate about guns and politics as part of your argument. ![https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4UCECVwxym4tHOi51CnEVbs1ppaELc9UDD8Uye9S6Bs0kXdP4yNCFkQ](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/5/6/56b2e36ffe83d865108e603851e095699a8779ee.png) What IS your point then? You said UK has a gun ban and has a higher violent crime rate, followed by a sarcastic “Lets BAN Guns guys!” Blanket statements are fun, I’ll just join that game. Adults in their 20’s with guns are extremely dangerous and attribute to the most homicides in the country as they aren’t responsible or mature and make the rest of the gun owners look bad, encouraging anti gun legislation. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-gun-debate/262604)._