# The Healthcare Reform Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [August 2, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479 "2009-08-02T18:55:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/221 "2009-09-10T10:42:22Z")
I forsee GARBAGE coverage with the gov’t plan…Shitty coverage isn’t gonna do anybody any good. The gov’t has so many examples of not being able to cover ppl adequately at a low cost to the consumer. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/222 "2009-09-10T10:46:45Z")
If that happens people will just switch back to private, which for the first time you’ll be able to get with a pre-existing condition. As long as it’s a public option and not a public mandate, either it provides good value and gets lots of participants, or it doesnt and it dies off, since it has to fund itself thru premiums. ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/223 "2009-09-10T10:49:09Z")
i just want it atainable, the medical system if flawed, it needs regulation with checks and balances more than it needs to be completely taken over. what’s next? i go to my local GM dealer for a flu shot? ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/224 "2009-09-10T16:54:32Z")
The question I have is - will the “public option” really be allowed to stand on its own with subscriber fees - or will it be another Fannie-Mae bailout in the future? Because if the public option is really that important “to keep the insurance agencies honest”, it can’t be allowed to fail, and therefore, isn’t ultimately a fair competitor like the Dems make it out to be. In the end, although it was a great speech, there was nothing in Obama’s speech that really focused on cost control. Covering more Americans is a lofty and worthwhile goal - but in noone’s wildest dreams will it be “deficit-neutral” with the way healthcare is delivered and financed today. ---
**Author:** ![JSTANEON](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jstaneon/32/7267_2.png) [@JSTANEON](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSTANEON)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/225 "2009-09-12T19:33:27Z")
Looks like the Obaminator is doing a good job at “spreading the wealth around.” ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/226 "2009-09-14T14:25:31Z")
All we are talking about here is a plan to make it so people can pay for a doctor. With premiums. This isn’t even true universal healthcare. The same complaints you guys are making are basically the same that people make about the health insurance companies. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/227 "2009-09-14T19:02:21Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > All we are talking about here is a plan to make it so people can pay for a doctor. With premiums. This isn’t even true universal healthcare. The same complaints you guys are making are basically the same that people make about the health insurance companies. Even the Massachusetts plan, which Obama’s plan is based on, has a long waiting list to see a doctor - in some cases, the waits have gone from 40-50 days to well over 100. And although the Obama plan addresses the insurance side, there’s precious little on the supply-side of the equation. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/228 "2009-09-15T13:49:45Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > Even the Massachusetts plan, which Obama’s plan is based on, has a long waiting list to see a doctor - in some cases, the waits have gone from 40-50 days to well over 100. > > And although the Obama plan addresses the insurance side, there’s precious little on the supply-side of the equation. Please source… ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/229 "2009-09-16T05:53:48Z")
So I wake up this morning to Matt Lauer interviewing people to find out if race is the reason people are arguing against this bill. Wow talk about desperation. Even Obama said in one of his 10,000 speeches that this type of bill has failed several times over several decades. Were there black presidents then? Well at least the media is continuing to keep racism alive. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/230 "2009-09-16T05:57:13Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > So I wake up this morning to Matt Lauer interviewing people to find out if race is the reason people are arguing against this bill. Wow talk about desperation. Even Obama said in one of his 10,000 speeches that this type of bill has failed several times over several decades. Were there black presidents then? Well at least the media is continuing to keep racism alive. Nice. I was only half awake, but I thought I heard two guys being interviewed, one scattering a whole deck of race cards. Was that the same interview? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/231 "2009-09-16T05:58:56Z")
^Yeah it was Frank Luntz(sp) and some racist black guy from Georgetown. Frank pointed out facts from polls and the black guy kept calling it racism. Same old, same old. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/232 "2009-09-16T06:09:20Z")
:picard: The more things change… ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/233 "2009-09-16T08:57:33Z")
[http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6cfd501c-a2d3-11de-ba74-00144feabdc0.html?nclick\_check=1](http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6cfd501c-a2d3-11de-ba74-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1) Looks like the revised Senate bill is out. No government run healthcare option. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/234 "2009-09-16T09:10:36Z")
It seems to me if the public options is really only going to be for 5% or less of the population there would be easier ways to get that 5% or less covered. Subsidize them so they can fit into a plan that the other 95% of the country is using for example. I’m sure I’ll get called a tinfoil hat club member for this but anyway… I honestly believe the ultimate plan for the public option is much more than 5% and that number is being floated around with the hope that people will actually believe it. Once that option is out there it will be impossible to turn back and that’s exactly what the supporters of government run healthcare are hoping for. Lets move forward with the bipartisan parts of this reform and take the public option off the table. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/235 "2009-09-16T13:21:38Z")
I don’t trust bipartisan support for healthcare reform because I still do not believe that the Republicans want healthcare reform. They had control of the government for nearly a decade as this problem grew and grew and did nothing about it. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/236 "2009-09-16T14:45:59Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > It seems to me if the public options is really only going to be for 5% or less of the population there would be easier ways to get that 5% or less covered. Subsidize them so they can fit into a plan that the other 95% of the country is using for example. > > I’m sure I’ll get called a tinfoil hat club member for this but anyway… > > I honestly believe the ultimate plan for the public option is much more than 5% and that number is being floated around with the hope that people will actually believe it. Once that option is out there it will be impossible to turn back and that’s exactly what the supporters of government run healthcare are hoping for. > > Lets move forward with the bipartisan parts of this reform and take the public option off the table. you imply that healthcare coverage for the majority of people today is just fine. Despite the polls that are floating around showing super high satisfaction, the reality is we have one of the highest costing systems with the poor results. People are just afraid of any change despite how bad things are. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/237 "2009-09-16T16:49:25Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > So I wake up this morning to Matt Lauer interviewing people to find out if race is the reason people are arguing against this bill. Wow talk about desperation. Even Obama said in one of his 10,000 speeches that this type of bill has failed several times over several decades. Were there black presidents then? Well at least the media is continuing to keep racism alive. Nice. I like how they claim it’s some sort of switch. Racism is either on or off? It can’t have some degree of influence over people’s decisions? I guess this is more difficult to cover, or simply just boring. reality = boring ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/238 "2009-09-16T16:55:51Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > So I wake up this morning to Matt Lauer interviewing people to find out if race is the reason people are arguing against this bill. Wow talk about desperation. Even Obama said in one of his 10,000 speeches that this type of bill has failed several times over several decades. Were there black presidents then? Well at least the media is continuing to keep racism alive. Nice. I caught that this morning and wanted to punch the tv. Why does everything in this stupid country have to boil down to a race issue? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/239 "2009-09-16T17:43:15Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > you imply that healthcare coverage for the majority of people today is just fine. Despite the polls that are floating around showing super high satisfaction, the reality is we have one of the highest costing systems with the poor results. People are just afraid of any change despite how bad things are. How is that even remotely what I said? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/240 "2009-09-29T12:12:48Z")
_Bump_ Public option looking less and less likely. [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/29/senate-panel-debates-govt-run-health-plan/](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/29/senate-panel-debates-govt-run-health-plan/) Shot down 15-8. 10 Republicans against, 5 Democrats against. Can’t wait to hear the Pelosi/Reid soundbytes. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479.md?page=13)