# The Healthcare Reform Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [August 2, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479 "2009-08-02T18:55:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/301 "2009-10-13T19:18:25Z")
The bills all state that the public option has to be self-sustaining, through the use of premiums. It isn’t going to suck up tax dollars. If it’s not efficient enough to sustain itself, it dies off. So YOUR argument is invalid. We were emerging from the depression before we even got into WWII. And whether it was on war stuff, or social programs, deficit spending primed the pump to create the boom. ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/302 "2009-10-13T19:33:20Z")
please post a link to the bill. does this company also have to pay the same new taxes the private insurers will pay under the new bill? ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/303 "2009-10-13T20:02:06Z")
yes i have a new ally! Also, seven brand new taxes with this bill…awesome > [@Penfold](#): > > I assume by classical you mean austrian. > > Unfortunately Keynesian is just a failed experiment that hasn’t finished yet. > > 🙂 Only time will really tell. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/304 "2009-10-14T05:25:01Z")
Obama says he is going to fix a HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS in fraud. LMFAO!!! This guy gets funnier everyday!!! It will be great when this passes and unemployment tops 20%. Who is going to pay for it then bitch? 40% tax?!?!? Are you out of your fucking mind? Do they not teach basic math at Harvard? Harvard must be so embarrassed right about now. LOL Sidenote: Even when he “accepted” the Nobel prize he did a shitty job reading from notes. I demand to see his IQ!!! LOL I do give him an A+ for determination on destroying this nation. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/305 "2009-10-14T07:25:54Z")
All I will say is that I hate taxes, and I don’t fucking care about people who can’t afford things in life. I don’t mind paying taxes which efficiently pay for/ create an army for protection, infrastructure, and public buildings / places such as libraries, schools, court houses etc. ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/306 "2009-10-14T20:42:05Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > All I will say is that I hate taxes, and I don’t fucking care about people who can’t afford things in life. > > I don’t mind paying taxes which efficiently pay for/ create an army for protection, infrastructure, and public buildings / places such as libraries, schools, court houses etc. You mean you don’t want to pay some lazy pos to sit on their ass because they are not “emotionally stable” enough to find a job? ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/307 "2009-10-15T04:10:13Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > All I will say is that I hate taxes, and I don’t fucking care about people who can’t afford things in life. > > I don’t mind paying taxes which efficiently pay for/ create an army for protection, infrastructure, and public buildings / places such as libraries, schools, court houses etc. > [@Penfold](#): > > You mean you don’t want to pay some lazy pos to sit on their ass because they are not “emotionally stable” enough to find a job? I hear this all the time from people who can’t relate to being in a bad situation. I myself preached these same sentiments about our tax money taking care of the “lazy”. all I got to say is, opinions change quick when you or a loved one come down with a debilitating illness like cancer. when you lose your job and your health insurance and your only source of income is SSDI…how do you think your going to pay for the treatment and medication? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/308 "2009-10-15T04:13:03Z")
I love the fact my health insurance costs are going down a lot for 09-10 :lol: and the amount of coverage is going up. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/309 "2009-10-15T05:42:11Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > Fuck half the people in this thread. > > Healthcare wouldn’t be so fucking expensive if doctors didn’t have to worry about getting sued by every prick they even THINK about touching looking for some kind of a free fucking handout! > > You think YOUR insurance is expensive? > > Go fuck yourself and ask a doctor what HE has to pay to protect himself from YOU. > > All of us will really be fucked when the **private industry becomes public, and no longer has any money nor will power to develop new treatments**. [Gee whiz… Money may be the devil, but its also the reason things advance! No money? Those rich healthcare pricks will just turn into the lazy cocksuckers that breed so well in this country…] And you want to talk about inefficient? Look at ANY Govt. run program, they do such a fantastic job of running things. If you want to overhaul the industry and put leashes on it, FINE, I am all for it. But to force everyone into a joke of a program? Give me a break… just another example of Robin Hood syndrome. Actually, the NIH / NSF fund much of the exploratory research to develop new treatments, whether it be at a public or private institution. Just ask big pharma what they’ve been up to recently: > **[Little Turnaround For Big Pharma?](https://www.forbes.com/2009/10/14/pharmaceutical-stocks-bargain-business-healthcare-drugs.html)** > > Drug stocks have sat out the rally so far, but with bargain basement valuations, that may be about to change. Maybe we’ll bail them out! ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/310 "2009-10-15T09:34:04Z")
> [@d3x](#): > > I hear this all the time from people who can’t relate to being in a bad situation. I myself preached these same sentiments about our tax money taking care of the “lazy”. all I got to say is, opinions change quick when you or a loved one come down with a debilitating illness like cancer. when you lose your job and your health insurance and your only source of income is SSDI…how do you think your going to pay for the treatment and medication? What I really don’t understand is, if the government can’t handle the problems with Medicaid, how are they going to take on something exponentially larger, and not fuck it up? ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/311 "2009-10-15T09:50:11Z")
for those on the tort reform bandwagon, the projection in savings would be $54 billion in health care costs **over 10 years**. (Congressional Budget Office, oct, 9th) 5 billion a year is not going to cover very much in the big picture. I think it’s great if we can get it, but it’s really a pretty small side issue to the real reform. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/312 "2009-10-15T09:55:16Z")
Tort reform is so small that if we can use it as part of the “sausage making” process to get more important stuff into the final bill then :tup: ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/313 "2009-10-15T09:56:37Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > What I really don’t understand is, if the government can’t handle the problems with Medicaid, how are they going to take on something exponentially larger, and not fuck it up? I’m not suggesting the government can do any better. The problem is the ridiculous cost of health care in this country. And the government can do something about that. We do have the best health care in the world and I don’t think anyone wants to neuter the industry like canada does. But at the same time, everyone knows there is something wrong when the all mighty dollar is more important than the patient. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/314 "2009-10-22T13:23:46Z")
THIS JUST IN… My healthcare cost increase next year is 37%. I guess they know 2013 is the end so they are cashing in now. I just increased my customer pricing by 5% for the first time in 2 years and my customers are BITCHING. I wish I could increase my prices 37%/year but I have foreign competition. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/315 "2009-10-22T13:26:06Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > THIS JUST IN… My healthcare cost increase next year is 37%. > > I just increased my customer pricing by 5% for the first time in 2 years and my customers are BITCHING. Jesus. I applaud you for staying in business manufacturing in WNY, aka being an industrial cutter. Are any of the reforms oozing through congress looking like they’re going to help? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/316 "2009-10-22T13:29:29Z")
I don’t really know at this point but I am researching the cost of firing everyone and getting robots. LOL They get more attractive every year thanks to things like this. Oh and they will be Chinese made robots. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/317 "2009-10-22T13:42:11Z")
you do realize the Chinese robots are just costumes with people inside? ![http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content/sumo_robot.jpg](http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content/sumo_robot.jpg) try explaining to this guy why he needs more guns and god. lol. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/318 "2009-10-22T13:46:42Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I don’t really know at this point but I am researching the cost of firing everyone and getting robots. LOL > They get more attractive every year thanks to things like this. Oh and they will be Chinese made robots. Well I hope things get better, but I can’t really think of a time when anything got cheaper. Especially when the government got involved. Oh. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/319 "2009-10-22T14:03:13Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > THIS JUST IN… My healthcare cost increase next year is 37%. > I guess they know 2013 is the end so they are cashing in now. My health care premium is going up 20% starting November 1st and my dental is going up 100%, yay! Oh any my company is looking at reducing their contribution again, was 80%, now 78%, and they’re still looking to go down to 75%. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/320 "2009-10-22T15:24:31Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > THIS JUST IN… My healthcare cost increase next year is 37%. > I guess they know 2013 is the end so they are cashing in now. > > I just increased my customer pricing by 5% for the first time in 2 years and my customers are BITCHING. > I wish I could increase my prices 37%/year but I have foreign competition. And you want this to continue? How can you NOT want reform? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479.md?page=17)