# The Healthcare Reform Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [August 2, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479 "2009-08-02T18:55:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/341 "2009-11-05T09:19:58Z")
I heard a doctor say that something like 75% of the service costs are self inflicted due to lifestyle. That really put the cost into perspective for me. They could base how much they charge on obesity, drug use, smoking, etc. If you weigh more than 300# you should pay at least $100,000/year.lol We base auto insurance on risk. Discuss. Edit: Fat people may be a bad example because they die so young it may actually be cheaper.lol ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/342 "2009-11-05T09:22:27Z")
The elderly would never let that happen, they vote too much. If we based how much they charged on all of those things, we’d have to use age too. Similar to life insurance. A 20 year old 300lb smoker still will use less medical care than your typical 80 year old. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/343 "2009-11-05T09:23:33Z")
^You can’t control your age. It is not self inflicted. Saying “we’d have to use age too” is simply not true. Edit: Smokers should pay at LEAST $50,000/year. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/344 "2009-11-05T09:27:36Z")
Obesity is not always self inflicted, either. There are many medical conditions that cause it. You’re going on the auto insurance model, and that absolutely does use things that are not self-inflicted. You can’t just cherry-pick the ones that benefit you. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/345 "2009-11-05T09:30:39Z")
^I didn’t say to make it exactly like the auto insurance but there are some obvious things that cost everyone a shit ton of money that could be avoided. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/346 "2009-11-05T09:31:16Z")
There already are different prices for smokers and non-smokers on my work’s plans. The difference is marginal though. ($200 a year) ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/347 "2009-11-05T09:43:40Z")
what kills my about my corporation’s sign up this year is that you have two options for smoker: (1) you are a smoker (2) you are a non-smoker OR plan to attempt to quit smoking sometime during the coming year (save $300) who would pick option 1? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/348 "2009-11-05T09:44:54Z")
Mine has the same option but you have to commit to some type of smoking cessation program and show proof or some shit. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/349 "2009-11-05T09:49:26Z")
People that burn up(pun intended) hundreds or even thousands of dollars a year on smokes are not going to quit over $200. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/350 "2009-11-05T16:53:26Z")
I think healthcare should be based on what you put in, which is basically how it is now. Those who work more pay less, those who work less pay more. Those who don’t work get nothing (exceptions to those who have disabilities) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/351 "2009-11-05T18:02:33Z")
Does the latest version still have the fine and possible jail time if you don’t pay. That is the kind of thing that should not exist in this country. Going to jail if you don’t want insurance?!? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/352 "2009-11-05T19:14:13Z")
The no denial for pre-existing conditions can only work if there’s a mandate to get insurance. Otherwise no one will get insurance until they get sick, and bankrupt the insurers. ---
**Author:** ![Dominance9](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dominance9/32/7281_2.png) [@Dominance9](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dominance9)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/353 "2009-11-07T21:15:55Z")
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**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/354 "2009-11-07T21:55:57Z")
:tup: two more rounds to go ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/355 "2009-11-07T22:09:12Z")
> Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) said that the federal government is not capable of running many of the programs it is already responsible for, and should not be trusted with more responsibilities for Americans’ health care: "We have talked to mothers who say, ‘You can’t even get the H1-N1 vaccine out there and you think you’re going to handle the health care for my children?’ " Manufacturers have not been able to supply enough of the vaccine because of the difficulty of producing it. look at this face: It’s the face of a moron. ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/356 "2009-11-07T22:11:35Z")
:tup: socialism ---
**Author:** ![upstateclipse](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/upstateclipse/32/7348_2.png) [@upstateclipse](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/upstateclipse)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/357 "2009-11-07T22:28:00Z")
Hopefully some people will grow a backbone and stop the passing of this until it is actually read and options are discussed. I completely agree that the whole industry needs an overhaul, but to pass this for the sake of being able to say they did something is bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/358 "2009-11-08T00:42:31Z")
:bloated: ---
**Author:** ![upstateclipse](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/upstateclipse/32/7348_2.png) [@upstateclipse](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/upstateclipse)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/359 "2009-11-08T08:44:06Z")
I’m sorry, your right everyone should just blindly play follow the leader. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479/360 "2009-11-08T08:51:19Z")
Who told you that nobody has read it and no options have been discussed, since that is the basis of your opposition? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-healthcare-reform-thread/71479.md?page=19)