# The HP/Torque Arms race continues...... **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [August 19, 2010, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237 "2010-08-19T08:07:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cheeks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cheeks/32/5930_2.png) [@Cheeks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cheeks)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/1 "2010-08-19T08:07:10Z")
2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty Getting Upgrade to 800 FT-LBS of Torque > Already boasting class-leading payload and towing, Ford has now increased the 2011 F-Series Super Duty’s engine output to ensure it has class-leading numbers in all areas. Originally launched with 390-hp and 735 ft-lbs of torque, Ford is upgrading the truck to deliver 400-hp and 800 ft-lbs of torque. Better yet, owners who already purchased one of the lower-output 2011 models will be able to get a free upgrade from their Ford dealer. > > “These numbers are impressive, yes, but that is not why they matter,” Samardzich said. “These numbers matter because our customers say they do. The higher torque means that fleet operators, such as Florida Power & Light, can plow through deep swamps and get to downed power lines faster and more confidently. It means that oil and gas crews in the Northwest can tow up an 8,000-foot grade maintaining a steady speed and using less fuel.” > > In addition, F-350 dual rear-wheel (DRW) models will get upgrades that include an increased max payload from 6,520 to 7,070 and a max fifth-wheel tow rating set at 22,600 lbs, up from 21,600 lb. > > PRESS RELEASE > > BEST SELLING 2011 FORD F-SERIES SUPER DUTY DIESEL BOOSTS POWER, CAPABILITY, FUEL ECONOMY AND VALUE > > Current 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty diesel owners can get the increased performance through a free dealer-installed software upgrade to the truck’s powertrain control module. > Login to download images. > The 6.7-liter Power Stroke® V8 turbocharged diesel is now rated at best-in-class 800 lb.-ft. of torque and 400 horsepower, an increase of 65 lb.-ft. of torque and 10 horsepower. Current 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty diesel owners can get the increased performance through a free dealer-installed software upgrade to the truck’s powertrain control module [LINK](http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/08/2011-ford-f-series-super-duty-getting-upgrade-to-800-ft-lbs-of-torque.html) 400hp/800lbs/ft out of the box is absolutely amazing, I’m really interested to see if these motors really hold up, maybe in 10-15 years I’ll be able to afford one ---
**Author:** ![bgblockelcamino](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bgblockelcamino/32/5997_2.png) [@bgblockelcamino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bgblockelcamino)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/2 "2010-08-19T09:49:28Z")
does it come with air conditioning? ---
**Author:** ![SoLow](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/solow/32/6001_2.png) [@SoLow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoLow)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/3 "2010-08-19T10:34:50Z")
so did they upgrade it just so they would be putting out more power/tq the the GM’s ? ---
**Author:** ![Cheeks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cheeks/32/5930_2.png) [@Cheeks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cheeks)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/4 "2010-08-19T11:38:08Z")
> [@FS: Treadmill $30](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-treadmill-30/39159/6): > > so did they upgrade it just so they would be putting out more power/tq the the GM’s ? yes, that would be why the title says…arms race ---
**Author:** ![Orr89rocz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac91a4/32.png) [@Orr89rocz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Orr89rocz)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/5 "2010-08-19T17:15:35Z")
> Better yet, owners who already purchased one of the lower-output 2011 models will be able to get a free upgrade from their Ford dealer. new tune covers that power output. Heck they could get more than that with a good programmer. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/6 "2010-08-20T06:05:34Z")
> [@WTB: SAFC2/SAFC Neo](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc2-safc-neo/42215/3): > > new tune covers that power output. Heck they could get more than that with a good programmer. Of course they could, but they don’t want to make more warranty work for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/7 "2010-08-20T12:46:21Z")
and they had to up the payload to beat GMs ---
**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/8 "2010-08-20T12:58:09Z")
looking forward to what cummins has to bring to the table to compete with them two ---
**Author:** ![Cheeks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cheeks/32/5930_2.png) [@Cheeks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cheeks)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/9 "2010-08-20T13:52:09Z")
> [@Congrats to Choda and Bighands](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/congrats-to-choda-and-bighands/42512/5): > > and they had to up the payload to beat GMs they still beat them, duramax’s engineers have already said that motor is at its highest point, there isn’t much more left in it ---
**Author:** ![Cheeks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cheeks/32/5930_2.png) [@Cheeks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cheeks)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/10 "2010-08-20T16:19:04Z")
figured this was relevant to the discussion as well: gas vs. diesel cost analysis [http://www.worktruckonline.com/Channel/Fuel-Management/Article/Story/2008/05/Gas-vs-Diesel.aspx](http://www.worktruckonline.com/Channel/Fuel-Management/Article/Story/2008/05/Gas-vs-Diesel.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/11 "2010-08-22T15:35:42Z")
> [@Know a girl who has a private myspace?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/know-a-girl-who-has-a-private-myspace/42507/11): > > looking forward to what cummins has to bring to the table to compete with them two Me too. Cummins might just come out with a real banger that out does all this. ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/12 "2010-08-23T03:19:22Z")
> [@JackdUp"](#): > > Me too. Cummins might just come out with a real banger that out does all this. and the front suspension will still need rebuilt once a year ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/13 "2010-08-23T03:27:57Z")
> [@NJ D-bags](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nj-d-bags/42494/27): > > and the front suspension will still need rebuilt once a year Add a roll cage for the asian------------ Goodbye camEro ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/14 "2010-08-23T19:37:21Z")
My brother has a new 2011 F-250 diesel. There is such a huge difference in power compared to the 2010, it’s not even close. It doesn’t matter what cummings comes out with, it is still stuck in a POS dodge. If they made a nice truck to go along with the motor, they may actually sell enough to not pull their parent company down the shitter with them every year. ---
**Author:** ![Quik83Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik83z/32/6042_2.png) [@Quik83Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik83Z)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/15 "2010-08-23T19:42:25Z")
> [@Holiday valley 1/29](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/holiday-valley-1-29/42511/2): > > My brother has a new 2011 F-250 diesel. There is such a huge difference in power compared to the 2010, it’s not even close. Still stuck in a POS Ford… ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/16 "2010-08-23T19:49:08Z")
> [@Fs: 1989 & 1987 Toyota Supra Turbo Targa Cars](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-1989-1987-toyota-supra-turbo-targa-cars/42517/3): > > Still stuck in a POS Ford… How many recent years has the f-series outsold everything else? How many recent titles do GM trucks or Dodgetrucks have? The f-series truck is by far the best truck out there right now. We drove a ton of trucks over the past few months while he was deciding on what to get and the other trucks are complete shit compared to the ford. ---
**Author:** ![Cheeks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cheeks/32/5930_2.png) [@Cheeks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cheeks)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/17 "2010-08-23T19:50:39Z")
> [@Fs: 1989 & 1987 Toyota Supra Turbo Targa Cars](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-1989-1987-toyota-supra-turbo-targa-cars/42517/3): > > Still stuck in a POS Ford… I’d rather be stuck in the POS ford than drive an IFS chevy that will fall apart or a dodge that will fall apart ---
**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/18 "2010-08-23T19:58:56Z")
IFS works well for what it was intended for, hell the military vehicles been using IFS for years now. be interesting to see how long the powerstroke holds up at those levels ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2010, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-hp-torque-arms-race-continues/205237/19 "2010-08-28T07:29:55Z")
If anyone made a true full-sized crew cab with a full 8’ bed without IFS, I’d have bought it instead of the 'Chev in '08. Well, let me rephrase. I could buy an International CXT. Even tho that would be baller as hell I ain’t blowing 100K for a truck.