# The new Muscle Car Wars begin **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [August 23, 2006, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354 "2006-08-23T10:41:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Viper966](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/viper966/32/7268_2.png) [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/1 "2006-08-23T10:41:25Z")
_Cruise inspires pony car rumble_ ![http://sporksaremylife.googlepages.com/challenger.jpg](http://sporksaremylife.googlepages.com/challenger.jpg) Josee Valcourt / The Detroit News ROYAL OAK – Woodward wasn’t big enough Tuesday morning for two legendary Detroit muscle cars that will soon roar back into showrooms. The Woodward Dream Cruise provided the backdrop for the first salvo in a much-anticipated showdown between the Chevrolet Camaro and the Dodge Challenger. To set the scene, the **Chrysler Group was hosting a media event in front of Duggan’s Irish Pub in Royal Oak. The automaker was showing off its Dodge Challenger concept muscle car and the 1970 Challenger that inspired it.** Without warning, a Chevrolet car hauler embossed with a massive bowtie logo and carrying two Camaros – the 2006 concept car and a 1969 classic – came rolling by, turning the head of media members. Jason Vines, Chrysler’s top PR official, took the slow-speed Camaro drive-by as an invitation for a Dream Cruise rumble. He called it a “wuss” move to haul the Camaros in a trailer rather than driving the vehicles by Duggan’s. Chevy spokesman Terry Rhadigan denied a turf war. General Motors Corp. has been showcasing the Camaros for days on Woodward as part of the Dream Cruise and they were en route to two GM events Tuesday, he said. “We’ll definitely do battle with them in the showroom in a couple of years, but right now this was more or less an opportunity to display the iconic brand,” he said. Both Dodge and Chevrolet have promised to build production versions of vehicles in the next couple years. The muscle car tussle caught the attention of [Jalopnik.com](http://Jalopnik.com), a popular auto Web site, which likened it to a Sharks-versus-Jets feud. **“Chevy made a point of letting the Chrysler folks know that they were stepping on the General’s turf almost goading the Chrysler Group into a ‘West Side Story’-like knife fight,”** the Web site said. **“It slowly passed in the right lane,”** Ray Wert, Detroit associate editor for [Jalopnik.com](http://Jalopnik.com), told The Detroit News. “It was quite possibly the greatest coincidence in the history of automobiles.” **The modern-day muscle car battle reignited when Ford Motor Co. gave its 2005 Mustang a throwback design.** Dodge and Chevy entering the fray is a good for Detroit and the auto industry, Wert said. “This is what the enthusiasts want,” Wert said. “This gets their blood running. The baby boomers all want to push their pony car as being the best pony car among them all.” Vines agreed, but couldn’t help taking one more swipe at his rival. **“It’s healthy for Detroit and it’s healthy for the industry,” Vines said. “Despite the lameness of the GM stunt, it gets people talking.”** ![http://www.detnews.com/graphics/img_sectionhead_dn.gif](http://www.detnews.com/graphics/img_sectionhead_dn.gif) ---
**Author:** ![zwarbyt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zwarbyt/32/7623_2.png) [@zwarbyt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zwarbyt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/2 "2006-08-23T10:41:42Z")
ahahahah ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/3 "2006-08-23T10:44:42Z")
Thats a great move. GM showing some testicular fortitude. ---
**Author:** ![Blown\_Stroked](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blown_stroked/32/7324_2.png) [@Blown\_Stroked](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blown_Stroked)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/4 "2006-08-23T10:46:00Z")
Both cars are sick ![http://www.dragsource.com/articles/2009challenger.jpg](http://www.dragsource.com/articles/2009challenger.jpg) mmmm ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/5 "2006-08-23T11:08:02Z")
What really makes me laugh is that whoever made that pic thinks you can get a quality suit for $500 and a tie for $40… ---
**Author:** ![skiboarder72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@skiboarder72](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skiboarder72)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/6 "2006-08-23T11:30:02Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > What really makes me laugh is that whoever made that pic thinks you can get a quality suit for $500 and a tie for $40… ever been to the menswarehouse 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/7 "2006-08-23T11:35:20Z")
they aren’t muscle cars :roll: ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/8 "2006-08-23T11:35:51Z")
> [@skiboarder72](#): > > ever been to the menswarehouse 😉 My bad…I guess I should have made that more reader friendly What really makes me laugh is that whoever made that pic thinks you can get a **quality** suit for $500 and a tie for $40… You like like the kind a PR exec would wear…custom made… ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/9 "2006-08-23T11:42:35Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > My bad…I guess I should have made that more reader friendly > > What really makes me laugh is that whoever made that pic thinks you can get a **quality** suit for $500 and a tie for $40… > > You like like the kind a PR exec would wear…custom made… ??? one of my hugo boss suits was $600 (granted hugo boss /= custom made, but still…) and I got a zegna tie for $60 thats close to the $500/$40 ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/10 "2006-08-23T11:48:39Z")
I got a suit hand tailored in china (while I was there, guy made everything from scratch) that \> any quality suit here for like 400 US. Then I lost fucking like 45 lbs fuck ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/11 "2006-08-23T11:50:26Z")
> [@Daddie](#): > > I got a suit hand tailored in china (while I was there, guy made everything from scratch) that \> any quality suit here for like 400 US. > > Then I lost fucking like 45 lbs > > fuck I have a pile of dress shirts that dont fit me anymore… in said pile are 4 zegna shirts that were $200/ea, some canalis and crap that were about $200/ea as well. All tolled theres like $3000 worth of just shirts I cant wear anymore… lol i suck ---
**Author:** ![badazzss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@badazzss](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/badazzss)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/12 "2006-08-23T11:54:13Z")
camaro \> all except maybe a $ 2000 suit. ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/13 "2006-08-23T12:00:15Z")
> [@vq30de](#): > > ??? > > one of my hugo boss suits was $600 (granted hugo boss /= custom made, but still…) > > and I got a zegna tie for $60 > > thats close to the $500/$40 and thats bottom line for boss shit, 600 is nothing to drop on a suit. brioni \> ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/14 "2006-08-23T12:25:37Z")
holla @ my man Kevin > [@Daddie](#): > > I got a suit hand tailored in china (while I was there, guy made everything from scratch) that \> any quality suit here for like 400 US. pics? ---
**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/15 "2006-08-23T12:30:10Z")
> [@Way2Slow](#): > > Both cars are sick > > mmmm wtf is that besides a really bad photochop ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/16 "2006-08-23T12:48:08Z")
more reader friendly still: > [@JoesTypeS](#): > > My bad…I guess I should have made that more reader friendly > > What really makes me laugh is that whoever made that pic thinks you can get a **quality** suit for $500 and a tie for $40… > > You know, like the kind **a PR exec from a multi billion dollar corporation** would wear…custom made… ---
**Author:** ![BaD\_AZz\_Z\_28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@BaD\_AZz\_Z\_28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BaD_AZz_Z_28)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/17 "2006-08-23T14:52:22Z")
:lol: thats awesome, its good to see the big 3 having cars that can piss each other off. No one gets mad when a camry drives past a malibu on its way to break up a taurus debut. ---
**Author:** ![fbrendan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fbrendan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fbrendan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/18 "2006-08-23T15:04:22Z")
> [@vq30de](#): > > ??? > > one of my hugo boss suits was $600 (granted hugo boss /= custom made, but still…) > > and I got a zegna tie for $60 > > thats close to the $500/$40 I didn’t even think they started that low. I don’t remeber my exact cost, on my Hugo suit, thats a low price. ---
**Author:** ![Twizted](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/twizted/32/7206_2.png) [@Twizted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Twizted)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/19 "2006-08-23T15:04:55Z")
:tup: ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354/20 "2006-08-23T16:31:35Z")
> [@brendansi](#): > > I didn’t even think they started that low. > > I don’t remeber my exact cost, on my Hugo suit, thats a low price. gotta know where to go… you realize stores pay like $50, if that, for a boss suit… [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-new-muscle-car-wars-begin/16354.md?page=2)