# The next trillion dollar bailout **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059 "2009-01-28T12:06:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/341 "2009-02-13T12:07:45Z")
**Obama Preps for Next Fights** President Obama and his aides “are plunging ahead on a large and expensive agenda that virtually assures 2009 will be marked by intense partisan battles about the size and role of government,” Politico reports. “For Obama’s next act, the program is the same as he has been planning for months: New Deal-style plans to rescue struggling homeowners and rewrite regulations on the financial markets, plus a budget proposal that lays the groundwork for sweeping health care reform.” Key change in strategy: “Obama plans to travel more and campaign more in an effort to pressure lawmakers with public support, rather than worrying about whether he can win over Republican votes in Congress.” ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/342 "2009-02-13T12:15:49Z")
0 Republican votes?!?:bigclap: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/343 "2009-02-13T14:27:36Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > 0 Republican votes?!?:bigclap: :word: You know what? Bush didn’t even get the most votes and he ruled like he had an iron mandate. Republicans pushed through every ridiculous legislation they could without Democratic support. Obama wins a landslide, Democrats expand their rule over Congress in a landslide, and we still offer them the courtesy of listening to their input and what do they do? Vote against it. Fuck ‘em. The people wanted us in charge for a reason. Once Al Franken gets sworn in we have 59, plus Collins, Specter, and Snowe, from deep blue states. They’ll either cross sides and do what their constituents want, or get voted out. It’s our turn now. If we want the Republicans’ help cleaning up their mess, we’ll ask for it. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/344 "2009-02-13T14:41:20Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > :word: You know what? Bush didn’t even get the must votes and he ruled like he had an iron mandate. Republicans pushed through every ridiculous legislation they could without Democratic support. Obama wins a landslide, Democrats expand their rule over Congress in a landslide, and we still offer them the courtesy of listening to their input and what do they do? Vote against it. Fuck ‘em. The people wanted us in charge for a reason. Once Al Franken gets sworn in we have 59, plus Collins, Specter, and Snowe, from deep blue states. They’ll either cross sides and do what their constituents want, or get voted out. It’s our turn now. If we want the Republicans’ help cleaning up their mess, we’ll ask for it. x2 Obama has continued more than any recent President to reach across the isle in his first 100 days. I don’t ever remembering Bush caring what the other side thought. Remember Bush was the decider. :lol: If the Republicans keep rejecting Obama’s attempts for Bi-Partisanship its only going to strengthen the Democrats and make the Republicans look like obstructionist whiners. ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/345 "2009-02-13T15:28:23Z")
On top of the bill being over 1100 pages long, congress was given 6 hours to read only 5 hard-copies in the house. None of the hard copies matched because some parts were still hand-written. Our government is just ridiculous. The operate like children. ---
**Author:** ![Mixmastermike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mixmastermike/32/7314_2.png) [@Mixmastermike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mixmastermike)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/346 "2009-02-13T15:51:26Z")
The way i see it. $787Billion = 787B as in the Mazda 787B, One of the greatest cars ever. Therefore, the Bailout will help the economy and go on to win Le Mans ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/347 "2009-02-13T16:21:53Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Thank society for that, for decades people only measured success on things like college education. > > I’ll be the first to admit that not every student should go to college but society has bred to believe that. Look at BOCES, it was supposed to be for those who wanted to learn a trade and it has been turned into a center for rejects that can’t hack it in high school. > > The other side of that however is that during the 70’s and 80’s manufacturing ground to a halt because of cheap labor oversees. Once people realized that they can’t earn a living in a steel plant anymore they were forced to turn to other fields. > > Thats why we need decent wages for those in manufacturing or construction, otherwise no one is going to want to do it and it will flood the market with college graduates with very few jobs available to them. > > Our economic problems really stem from the fact that a Progressive Movement never really happened in places like China, India and S. America. The people their live horrible lives compared to the US but I’m sorry I don’t want our country to be reduced to their level just to compete. I completely agree :tup: ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/348 "2009-02-13T16:26:08Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > :word: You know what? Bush didn’t even get the most votes and he ruled like he had an iron mandate. Republicans pushed through every ridiculous legislation they could without Democratic support. Obama wins a landslide, Democrats expand their rule over Congress in a landslide, and we still offer them the courtesy of listening to their input and what do they do? Vote against it. Fuck ‘em. The people wanted us in charge for a reason. Once Al Franken gets sworn in we have 59, plus Collins, Specter, and Snowe, from deep blue states. They’ll either cross sides and do what their constituents want, or get voted out. It’s our turn now. If we want the Republicans’ help cleaning up their mess, we’ll ask for it. omg Al Franken is a JOKE! You do realize that congress previously had the lowest approval rating of all time right? The only thing that made it go up was becuase Black Jesus won. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/349 "2009-02-13T16:31:08Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Our economic problems really stem from the fact that a Progressive Movement never really happened in places like China, India and S. America. The people their live horrible lives compared to the US but I’m sorry I don’t want our country to be reduced to their level just to compete. It’s funny how we are all broken records. LOL We as a country are making no significant improvements. The others are becoming more skilled, becoming more westernized yet work for MUCH less currently. As a business decision I can see why they shift labor overseas. I still hate it as much as the next laid off worker, don’t get me wrong. We simply cannot compete. And we seem to be dry on innovation. So what do we do? Create all kinds of government jobs? How does that do anything but add to the fundamental economic damage we are already in? We need to innovate or flush, one or the other. IMO ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/350 "2009-02-13T16:48:38Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > It’s funny how we are all broken records. LOL > > We as a country are making no significant improvements. The others are becoming more skilled, becoming more westernized yet work for MUCH less currently. As a business decision I can see why they shift labor overseas. I still hate it as much as the next laid off worker, don’t get me wrong. > > We simply cannot compete. And we seem to be dry on innovation. So what do we do? Create all kinds of government jobs? How does that do anything but add to the fundamental economic damage we are already in? We need to innovate or flush, one or the other. IMO Shhh we need to put ALL our faith in the government becuase they know exactly what to do. Private buisness is BAD, remember? The government should control everything!!! It works wonders for other countries. :bloated: ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/351 "2009-02-13T16:52:57Z")
the problem is that our remote slave labor is drying up due to asian countries building real economies. All empires only survive on slave labor. We are out of slaves, I say we invest in robotic. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/352 "2009-02-13T19:35:31Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > omg Al Franken is a JOKE! You do realize that congress previously had the lowest approval rating of all time right? The only thing that made it go up was becuase Black Jesus won. congress had low approval because bush would veto anything they would pass of substance and they didnt have enough votes to override it. hence nothing got done. bush had low approval because congress wouldnt do anything he wanted. hence nothing got done. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/353 "2009-02-13T19:39:59Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > Shhh we need to put ALL our faith in the government becuase they know exactly what to do. Private buisness is BAD, remember? The government should control everything!!! It works wonders for other countries. :bloated: I don;t think there is a person here that has said anything like that nor do I think thats what the dems want. Why do you and 'ol Blue Eyes continue to stress the radical ideas as the arguments that people are making when it is no where close to that? :gotme: ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/354 "2009-02-17T06:56:09Z")
You know it’s a bad sign when even Obama humpers like Cafferty are upset… [http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/17/cafferty.stimulus/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/17/cafferty.stimulus/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/355 "2009-02-17T07:01:26Z")
Factoid from NBC this morning: we are now at $36,000 per person for “bailouts”. Nice. This one bill that apparently no one bothered to read before voting for it is almost 10% of our total debt. Wow. Maybe if the next one is big enough they will take time to read it. I thought the biggest spending package in the history of this planet might be worth reading but, I guess I was wrong. Its just money right? Fire up the presses! Let’s just print $36,000 for every person and the problem will disappear right? ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/356 "2009-02-17T07:05:43Z")
I could use 36,000 right now ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/357 "2009-02-17T07:20:45Z")
You have to wonder how much more stimulus we would have got if they just sent us all a check for 36k. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/358 "2009-02-17T07:24:38Z")
Unfortunately, not as much as China and Taiwan would have. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/359 "2009-02-17T07:32:13Z")
I guess will just have to wait and see. The funny thing is that if this plan does put people to work and brings a quicker end to this recession, I still don’t see any of you saying you were wrong. Hey I argued to death that invading Iraq was the right thing to do for months. I argued all the liberals on UBRF about it. Now I know I was dead wrong. I wonder if you guys will have the same character if it turns out you were wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/360 "2009-02-17T07:40:02Z")
^How will we measuer this? One of the complaints was that all of this bailout money is almost just disappearing without any results tracking. We have already spent almost $10 trillion and look where it got us. I hope it works but… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059.md?page=19)