# The next trillion dollar bailout **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059 "2009-01-28T12:06:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/361 "2009-02-17T07:42:16Z")
You really can’t. You can measure correlation but not causation. If the economy turns around, it could be because of this, or not. If it gets worse, it could be because of this, or not. That’s why there’s so many different schools of economics, you can draw your own conclusions. The minute any economic action takes place, you forever lose the opportunity to know what would have been without it. Personally, I think this is far from perfect, but that overall it will do a lot more good than bad. I don’t think it’s in the exact form that Obama wanted, but our system is such that Congress is like a reverse Delta Sonic car wash. What you get coming out is largely the same thing you had coming into it, it just has a whole bunch of crap all over it now and may be a bit hard to recognize. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/362 "2009-02-17T07:43:19Z")
But if the economy gets worse you can safely say the stimulus didn’t work. So basically those of us against it can prove we were right if this goes the way we predict, but those of you for it can’t prove we were wrong if the economy does turn around. So suck it :lol: ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/363 "2009-02-17T07:43:25Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > ^How will we measuer this? One of the complaints was that all of this bailout money is almost just disappearing without any results tracking. I hope it works but… This is not the Bush bail out plan where money just disappears. From the very beginning they talked about having a public website that you could log into and see exactly where the money is going. Once this plan gets implemented you’ll be able to see where the money went…you may not like where some of the money went but at least you’ll know where it is. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/364 "2009-02-17T08:35:01Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > But if the economy gets worse you can safely say the stimulus didn’t work. You could always argue that the stimulus prevented it from getting a lot worse. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/365 "2009-02-17T08:36:54Z")
Fry heard my thoughts on the stimulus Friday night. Tequila tends to make these things a lot clearer. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/366 "2009-02-17T08:38:13Z")
I did? Apparently crown makes things murkier. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/367 "2009-02-17T08:41:11Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > I did? Apparently crown makes things murkier. :shrug: Explains the sore ass now doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/368 "2009-02-17T08:43:36Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > I did? Apparently crown makes things murkier. :shrug: Yeah, in between the point where half the people bailed and when we left for Allen I gave you a good rant session on Republican congressmen, Keynesian economics, and licenses to procreate. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/369 "2009-02-17T08:58:20Z")
I think we need more kids with psychology/business/general teaching degrees. Their last class should teach them not to forget “Would you like that super sized.” 😛 Edit: see thread about tips. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/370 "2009-02-17T09:04:24Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Yeah, in between the point where half the people bailed and when we left for Allen I gave you a good rant session on Republican congressmen, Keynesian economics, and licenses to procreate. :lol: Haha oh yeah. Nothing like a good drunken rant on the dangers of a shrinking money supply in an expanding population. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/371 "2009-02-17T09:08:26Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > licenses to procreate. :lol: this. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/372 "2009-02-17T13:16:43Z")
[http://www.recovery.gov/](http://www.recovery.gov/) UPDATED ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/373 "2009-02-17T13:19:05Z")
WTF is protecting the vulnerable? Without getting into details, is that the welfare bucket? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/374 "2009-02-17T13:20:49Z")
i think thats extra unemployment, helping people refi shitty mortgages, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/375 "2009-02-17T13:22:03Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > i think thats extra unemployment, helping people buy rifles, etc. Gotcha. And might I add, uggh. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/376 "2009-02-17T13:23:52Z")
hard to argue with transparency though. You may not be able to prove whether it fixed the economy or not, but you can see what was purchased, and it won’t be C and BAC stock :sword: ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/377 "2009-02-17T13:24:46Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > WTF is protecting the vulnerable? Without getting into details, is that the welfare bucket? COBRA ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/378 "2009-02-17T13:25:14Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Gotcha. And might I add, uggh. UGGGH \*9879872983723 ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/379 "2009-02-17T13:25:25Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > hard to argue with transparency though. You may not be able to prove whether it fixed the economy or not, but you can see what was purchased, and it won’t be C and BAC stock :sword: I hope they don’t spin it so hard that it defeats its own purpose, but yeah on the surface this is what should happen when democracy meets the internet age. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/380 "2009-02-17T13:27:12Z")
The timeline at the bottom suggests we won’t be able to see money on the street figures until July-ish, I suppose that’s pretty good for government work though [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059.md?page=20)