# The next trillion dollar bailout **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059 "2009-01-28T12:06:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/141 "2009-01-29T18:46:14Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > My plan is pretty simple. > > Free Market Economy. You wanna know who you sound like? THIS GUY ![http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/HerbertHoover.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/b/6/b661d4f3b02c244441dac29715bfa921981acdc9.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/142 "2009-01-29T18:56:52Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > My plan is pretty simple. > > Free Market Economy. > > Revamp existing social works programs to educate people so there arent 1 million people out of factory jobs. Americas days of being an industrial power producing quality products at affordable prices are long gone. > > What industry is going to replace industrial work? Education is key but frankly not everyone can go to college it would simply make a 4 year degree useless. We can’t all be professionals. > > Eliminate the hand out scenario keeping generations of people content to take whatever they can from the govt. and live a “free” non contributing existance. The stringent rules I would place on people down on their luck would make you want to work at McDonalds before you stood in line to get a big FAIL stamped on your paperwork. > > You can’t live off McDonalds. And what if you are born into a shit environment, with a shit school system and crime ridden streets. I’m not going to make excuses but sometimes when your dealt a shitty hand its hard to pull yourself up. Its not impossible but come on. > > Give tax breaks to credible businesses so they may grow bigger and better and employ more people. > Agreed but tax breaks should also go to people, people are a lot more dependable to spend their money than a business, creating demand for supply, its the reason why trickle down economics is a pipe dream. > > I would certainly bolster the infrastructure of the country but a New New Deal is NOT the answer. It would be a small percentage of ways to generate jobs and revenue. > > Our country infrastructure is in shambles, bridges suck, roads suck, city schools suck. Fixing or replacing them will take at least a decade, especially in Northern areas where you can’t work all year round. Thats a lot more jobs than you think. > > I would not bail out any company that cannot figure out how to maintain a profit margin. Common sense could have stopped what we are now facing 10 years ago. But everyone wants to get rich and worry about it later. If you are not smart enough to assess the risk of your investments and business practices, you shouldnt be in business and you certainly should not be helped out for being bad at what you do. > Agreed, as long as their business isn’t failing due to outside, uncontrollable forces like thousands of people loosing their money or jobs due to screw ups on Wall Street that they were never a part of. > > I would tell the Healthcare and insurance industries to get a clue. You will no longer be supported by the govt. if you price gouge. A 5 block ambulance ride does NOT cost 1700 dollars. > > Agree on the price gouging, negative on government assistance, many people especially families can’t afford health insurance and I don’t want to live in a society that says your kid can’t get his shots because you work at McDonalds. > > I would shoot Nancy Pelosi in the face. > It would never work, her face is basically a black hole, what you would need is a proton pack from Ghostbusters. > > I would tell people to stop hoping for a change and get of their asses and do something about it. > > Agreed, but hope is never a bad thing either. > > The Govt is not your savior…it is not your personal crutch, it is a means of governing the people and nothing more. It is there to set a standard of rules and policies to live by but it is no means your hero and fall back plan. > > And if the bailout had to happen and someone said here is 8xx Billion dollars…what would you do with it? I would divide it based on income brackets to every person who got a W-2 in the past 5 years. Tell me if I’m wrong, but no offense didn’t you grow up in a super nice house in like the Clarence School District or something and have had your dad give you a job doing roofing for most of your life? Doesn’t seem like you really have any life experience to discuss the problems with low class society. Its been a while since I last saw you so I don’t know what you are doing now. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/143 "2009-01-29T18:58:52Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > You wanna know who you sound like? > > THIS GUY > > ![http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/HerbertHoover.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/b/6/b661d4f3b02c244441dac29715bfa921981acdc9.jpeg) To be honest Hoover wasn’t that bad of a person or president until the crash. Read a little bit of his work prior to being president. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/144 "2009-01-30T06:22:30Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Tell me if I’m wrong, but no offense didn’t you grow up in a super nice house in like the Clarence School District or something and have had your dad give you a job doing roofing for most of your life? Doesn’t seem like you really have any life experience to discuss the problems with low class society. > > Its been a while since I last saw you so I don’t know what you are doing now. Your assumptions are wrong like usual Tom. I was born in an apartment in 1980…my father was a copier salesman and my mother worked at K-Mart In 1982 He got a job with a roofing products mfg, mom still worked at Kmart and my sister was born. 1. Moved into a very small 3 bedroom house in Lancaster. 2. Bought his first brand new car, and my mother got her first brand new car…stopped working at Kmart. 3. Built their first home in Lancaster 4. Built the “big” house you know in Lancaster. 5. I started to work part time for the company while in college. Present. He is 26yrs in with the company, I am 10 years in with the company and worked my way up. Moral of the story…Life isnt a gift, it is what you make of it. Everyone has the opportunity to get off of their lazy ass and make something of this life. So don’t tell me that I dont know about the struggle. I have had it pretty good most of my life, but it didnt come from my parents sitting around and waiting for a free hand out. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/145 "2009-01-30T07:34:03Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > You wanna know who you sound like? > > THIS GUY > > ![http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/HerbertHoover.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/b/6/b661d4f3b02c244441dac29715bfa921981acdc9.jpeg) I would never support prohibition! Edit - I would also never support a huge tax increase to the wealthy or business enterprises. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/146 "2009-01-30T08:05:58Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > I would never support prohibition! FINALLY!!! COMMON GROUND!!! :jam: :highfive: ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/147 "2009-01-30T08:06:42Z")
Only because its friday Fry! Monday - Thursday are the debating days 😛 ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/148 "2009-01-30T08:21:00Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > Your assumptions are wrong like usual Tom. > > Thats why I asked, but your life is still a hell of a lot better than most due to your parents. Your family built 2 homes in your life time and your mother stopped working over 20 years ago because of your fathers income. Thats a reality that most people will never see and it has nothing to do with their ambition or drive to succeed. > > I have had it pretty good most of my life, but it didnt come from my parents sitting around and waiting for a free hand out. > > And I don’t want you to feel bad for your life either, but your education was probably paid for by your parents, and your job no matter how you want to slice it came initially from your relationship with your father. These are advantages that you had that most other people didn’t. I just think that your perspective on the issues here, which seem to be so ‘passionate’, are overly simplistic primarily due to not having any real experience on the matter. Sure you probably have seen the thugs and the loosers in low class that shouldn’t receive any assistance. But you are going to tell me they are all like that? Have you ever seen a mother or grandmother try and raise a family on their own while she works and receives welfare? I only worked for two years in the Buffalo School System and trust me I saw a lot of loosers that I would like to see just throw themselves over a bridge so my class size would have been smaller, but I saw a ton of students try and try and all I hear and see of them is heart ache after heart ache and obstacle after obstacle keeping them from their goals. So before you go off on your rant that everyone thats poor or in low class is lazy and should not receive anything, remember you grew up mainly between middle and high class. You never faced anything like these people face everyday and they have not been handed shit, not like you anyway. I’m not saying its wrong that you had advantages over these people, but I am going to say that you should STFU pretending you know anything about them. Sometimes when you post you sound like an angrier version of JEG. PS: What did you get your degree in? ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/149 "2009-01-30T08:49:45Z")
Well Tom, I am passionate about MY $ and MY taxes before i am more COMpassionate about the less fortunate. And I work in a lot of inner city schools and see first hand the kids…not on a daily basis as you a teacher would but from someone just walking the halls for 5 minutes…I see a lack of respect, a lack of wanting to be in school, and a lack of authority. I do feel bad, but I dont want to reach in my pocket and make sure they are taken care of. I am sure there are some bright minds in bad places that will never get to realize their true potential and I think that is a biggest failure of the system. And I will STFU when I feel confident that the LOSERS are getting a good education from competent teachers that enlighten them with proper spelling and grammar skills so that they can go out and get a job better than McDonalds…or hell…even without those skills it appears they have a good shot at becoming teachers. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/150 "2009-01-30T12:08:38Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > And I will STFU when I feel confident that the LOSERS are getting a good education from competent teachers that enlighten them with proper spelling and grammar skills so that they can go out and get a job better than McDonalds…or hell…even without those skills it appears they have a good shot at becoming teachers. WTF, you think you know something because you have roofed a building in the city? Are you that fucking naive or were you trying to be funny? Thats like me saying, I know what its like to be a roofer because I had roofer come to my house once. And what do you know about what it takes about being a teacher, nothing. There are plenty of people here who know what they are talking about or have experience on either side of this discussion and similar discussions but you are not one of them. If there is a thread about how to grow up in mid-upper class society and have daddy help me get a job then you can chime right in. PS: Your custom title is spot on. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/151 "2009-01-30T12:12:27Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > WTF, you think you know something because you have roofed a building in the city? Are you that fucking naive or were you trying to be funny? Thats like me saying, I know what its like to be a roofer because I had roofer come to my house once. > > And what do you know about what it takes about being a teacher, nothing. > > There are plenty of people here who know what they are talking about or have experience on either side of this discussion and similar discussions but you are not one of them. > > If there is a thread about how to grow up in mid-upper class society and have daddy help me get a job then you can chime right in. > > PS: Your custom title is spot on. And how did you grow up Tom that you feel you know the plight of the inner city youth so well? And please dont tell me its because you worked in the schools for 2 whole years from 7-3 and went home to your wife and apt. in Amherst everyday. Please don’t be jealous Tom…it will be ok. Just please explain to me why you want to leave NYS again? Is it because of the high taxes? Or the crummy unions? Also…doesn’t your father own a business in Amherst? And let me take this time to apologize for my father that worked hard and was able to provide me an opportunity to succeed. I would have much rather stayed in school to get a degree and not be able to find a job. I would have much rather grew up poor and on welfare so that my father could show me how to abuse the system so I wont have to earn an honest days pay in my life. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/152 "2009-01-30T12:13:14Z")
LOCK ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/153 "2009-01-30T12:37:01Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > And how did you grow up Tom that you feel you know the plight of the inner city youth so well? And please dont tell me its because you worked in the schools for 2 whole years from 7-3 and went home to your wife and apt. in Amherst everyday. > > Yes, when you work with close to 1000 students over two years, see how the environment is and how their family life is you tend learn a thing or two. Don’t try to down play my experience especially when you said you learned things from roofing a building. > > Please don’t be jealous Tom…it will be ok. Just please explain to me why you want to leave NYS again? Is it because of the high taxes? Or the crummy unions? > I’m moving because of downsizing and I want a better climate, I’m tired of the cold. I could find another position after my current one is gone but I figure a fresh start would be nice for me and my wife. > > Also…doesn’t your father own a business in Amherst? > > And let me take this time to apologize for my father that worked hard and was able to provide me an opportunity to succeed. I would have much rather stayed in school to get a degree and not be able to find a job. I would have much rather grew up poor and on welfare so that my father could show me how to abuse the system so I wont have to earn an honest days pay in my life. > > I never asked you to apologize for your FATHERS successes I simply state that you have no education or experience in the issues you tend to be the most passionate about. :grouphug: Please Lock Thread. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/154 "2009-01-30T12:43:51Z")
NO DON’T LOCK IT! This is exactly what they want, we distract ourselves by fighting with each other about stupid stuff while they steal our money! ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/155 "2009-01-30T12:46:03Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > :grouphug: Please Lock Thread. I didnt say I have all sorts of knowledge about inner city youth…I said that from my POV in walking through the halls and being in the classrooms and listening to what the employees of the school say that there is a lack of discipline, a lack of caring, and a lack of motivation present in the schools. But leave it to a liberal to take offense to everything someone says :tup: ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/156 "2009-01-30T15:12:52Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > But leave it to a liberal to take offense to everything someone says :tup: When it comes to taking offense you are king, every political thread you participate on you talk as if we were talking about you personally, you are so angry at anyone who see the world different from you. Time and time again you seem it to throw small insults and jabs at people you argue with, calling them communist and such. I haven’t heard anything close to communism from any thread here. Honestly if you think that trying to have gov’t programs to help the poor like food stamps is communist then under that extreme logic I would call your approach that only the strong should survive and the weak most go as being fascist. But I don’t see the world as that simplistic because its not. I questioned how you came to the conclusions you have by questioning your upbringing. Because I do find it hard that a person who grew up well off can “know” so much about how the other side lives. My god you truly think you know something of the inner city because you tarred a city school. :lol: I hear ECMC needs some patch work done, maybe you can fix their roof and know what it takes to be a Doctor. What a joke. You can get the last word in because I’m done. /Thread ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/157 "2009-01-30T15:38:30Z")
Speaking of roof work…my garage roof is leaking in near the gutters. I guess this spring I’ll have to get that bitch replaced. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/158 "2009-01-30T17:38:51Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > /Thread I would rather take everything personal and speak how I feel than speak in generalized statements and copy and pastes from the internet. And I do hate food stamps…esp when the person in front of me using their food stamps has a fur coat and an escalade. I do not hate the idea of passing out help to those that need it. The system is corrupt and there needs to be more stringent requirements to apply for benefits. As far as you speaking about what I do for a living…It would help if you actually knew what I do. Atleast I am not influencing the youth of tomorrow with “poor me” views. I would NEVER want my kids educated by someone like you. I would like my childrens school teachers to be able to spell and communicate effectively so that my kids have an opportunity to be productive members of society. I would be pretty disappointed if my son/daughter came home with a paper graded by a teacher and had spelling errors knowing that my tax dollars are paying their salary. You should write a letter of apology to all of your students for detracting from their education. I want more for my $…I want decent infrastructure, decent schools, decent healthcare, and decent opportunities for success. I do not want people who have no rights to my $ just having it handed to them. This isnt to say there arent truly “needy” people in the world that need help to get back on their feet, not abuse the system and stay down trodden for their entire lives. I guess its true what they say…once you go black, you never go back so when you climb off your Presidents dick, feel free to engage in some normal conversation. Also don’t talk about things you don’t know about. You don’t know a damn thing about my upbringing and my “gift” of a job. So keep holding on to your hope and I will continue to hold onto reality. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/159 "2009-01-30T19:28:37Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > I would rather take everything personal and speak how I feel than speak in generalized statements and copy and pastes from the internet. > > And I do hate food stamps…esp when the person in front of me using their food stamps has a fur coat and an escalade. I do not hate the idea of passing out help to those that need it. The system is corrupt and there needs to be more stringent requirements to apply for benefits. > > As far as you speaking about what I do for a living…It would help if you actually knew what I do. Atleast I am not influencing the youth of tomorrow with “poor me” views. > > I would NEVER want my kids educated by someone like you. I would like my childrens school teachers to be able to spell and communicate effectively so that my kids have an opportunity to be productive members of society. I would be pretty disappointed if my son/daughter came home with a paper graded by a teacher and had spelling errors knowing that my tax dollars are paying their salary. You should write a letter of apology to all of your students for detracting from their education. > > I want more for my $…I want decent infrastructure, decent schools, decent healthcare, and decent opportunities for success. > > I do not want people who have no rights to my $ just having it handed to them. This isnt to say there arent truly “needy” people in the world that need help to get back on their feet, not abuse the system and stay down trodden for their entire lives. > > I guess its true what they say…once you go black, you never go back so when you climb off your Presidents dick, feel free to engage in some normal conversation. > > Also don’t talk about things you don’t know about. You don’t know a damn thing about my upbringing and my “gift” of a job. So keep holding on to your hope and I will continue to hold onto reality. pownage!!! :spank: But to clarify…so you don’t like diamonds and the minks? The boots and the furs??? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059/160 "2009-01-30T19:41:04Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > pownage!!! :spank: > But to clarify…so you don’t like diamonds and the minks? The boots and the furs??? 😉 The see me rollin…they hatin… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-next-trillion-dollar-bailout/62059.md?page=9)