# The NRA on Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 18, 2008, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112 "2008-09-18T04:48:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/21 "2008-09-18T07:48:06Z")
cept for the typo becuase I had a brain fart half way through typing evidently lmfao. I consider myself to be somewhat educated on firearms, and think it is rediculous the way people see them as being “assault weapons” when a simple riffle you buy from target or walmart will be just as effective. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/22 "2008-09-18T07:52:43Z")
Wow, JEG actually said something I agree with. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/23 "2008-09-18T07:53:10Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > define an assault weapon. By definition, you can take a stock .223, put a flash supressor and a folding stock on it and it is now an “assault riffle”. It uses the same ammunition and has the same rate of fire as a regular .223…but not ir looks different. That is like banning mods to your car because they make you look like youre going to speed and break the law. It is a very simple minded way of thnking. +1 Semi-automatic [rifles](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following: - Folding stock - Conspicuous [pistol grip](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip) - [Bayonet](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet) mount - [Flash suppressor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor), or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one - [Grenade launcher](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade_launcher) (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of [rifle grenades](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_grenade)) Semi-automatic [pistols](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol) with detachable magazines and two or more of the following: - Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip - Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or [silencer](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor) - [Barrel shroud](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_shroud) that can be used as a hand-hold - Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more - A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm Semi-automatic [shotguns](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun) with two or more of the following: - Folding or telescoping stock - Pistol grip - Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds - Detachable magazine > [@A.J.](#): > > no citizen has any need to own a assault weapon in my opinion You sir are a idiot. > [@JayS](#): > > Those are real big issues to me. Roberts IMHO is one of the best picks we’ve seen in a long time. And I’m tired of politicians not standing up to the class action lobby and putting an end to the BS lawsuits we see in this country. > > “Oh, you got shot, sue the gun manufacture”. > > “Oh, you’re fat, sue McDonalds”. > > “Oh, you got hit by a drunk driver who was driving a leased Ford F150, sue Ford”. Wait, are you saying people should be responsible for their own actions? Holy horse shit. > [@Paulo"](#): > > Assault weapons anyone? Better not vote for Obama then…:cjerk: I have 2 SKS’s that would fall under “assault rifles”, but they are grandfathered in the law. It upsets me greatly that I am not able to buy a brand new one if I so wished. Why can’t I have it? Do you really think I would kill more people with this style gun? Lets think about it. I get pissed and buy 10 .223 rifles and go to the top of a building. I have the guns all on target and ready to go at 200 yards+. Not one is an assault rifle. I unload each of the guns, placing one shot per person, with the 10 round clip. Humm that is 100 dead people. Why not allow a 30 round clip? Oh because I **could** kill 30 people with it. I can kill 30 people with my car, should we outlaw it? Edit: Used wiki so people could easily see what these gun parts are. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/24 "2008-09-18T07:58:14Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > +1 > > Semi-automatic [rifles](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following: > > - Folding stock > > - Conspicuous [pistol grip](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip) > > - [Bayonet](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet) mount > > - [Flash suppressor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor), or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one > > - [Grenade launcher](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade_launcher) (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of [rifle grenades](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_grenade))Semi-automatic [pistols](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol) with detachable magazines and two or more of the following: > > - Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip > > - Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or [silencer](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor) > > - [Barrel shroud](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_shroud) that can be used as a hand-hold > > - Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more > > - A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearmSemi-automatic [shotguns](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun) with two or more of the following: > > - Folding or telescoping stock > > - Pistol grip > > - Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds > > - Detachable magazine > > You sir are a idiot. > > Wait, are you saying people should be responsible for their own actions? Holy horse shit. > > I have 2 SKS’s that would fall under “assault rifles”, but they are grandfathered in the law. It upsets me greatly that I am not able to buy a brand new one if I so wished. > > Why can’t I have it? Do you really think I would kill more people with this style gun? > > Lets think about it. > > I get pissed and buy 10 .223 rifles and go to the top of a building. I have the guns all on target and ready to go at 200 yards+. > > Not one is an assault rifle. I unload each of the guns, placing one shot per person, with the 10 round clip. Humm that is 100 dead people. Why not allow a 30 round clip? Oh because I **could** kill 30 people with it. > > I can kill 30 people with my car, should we outlaw it? > > Edit: Used wiki so people could easily see what these gun parts are. Thats about it in a nutshell. They think people will go on a killing spree with them. Personally if I were to be in close quarters and was going to shoot someone, I would use a 12 gage with a low brass field load. no much collateral damage, but at close range is devistatingly powerful. A high powered riffle round will go through walls and such with ease. In retrospect, if I were to be sniping people, I would not use an “assault riffle”, I would use a 30-06 or a .308, probably bolt action, and I’d use a high powered scope…you would never see/find me 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/25 "2008-09-18T08:00:53Z")
i like shooting guns and i agree with jeg :shock: ---
**Author:** ![ineedacar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/48db29/32.png) [@ineedacar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ineedacar)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/26 "2008-09-18T08:01:30Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > Not one is an assault rifle. I unload each of the guns, placing one shot per person, with the 10 round clip. Humm that is 100 dead people. Why not allow a 30 round clip? Oh because I **could** kill 30 people with it. > > I can kill 30 people with my car, should we outlaw it? > > Edit: Used wiki so people could easily see what these gun parts are. I’ll give you that, forcing people to use less-than-standard size magazines ( who uses clips anymore 😛 ) is retarded. But IMO, an “assault” rifle (speaking totally on civilian terms) means it can shoot full auto, and that shouldn’t be allowed. Suppressors are illegal for obvious reasons and I agree with that as well. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/27 "2008-09-18T08:01:36Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > Wait, are you saying people should be responsible for their own actions? Holy horse shit. Exactly. The fact that he voted against blocking the lawsuits against the gun companies and he refused to vote for someone like Roberts says a whole lot more to me about who Obama really is than his carefully crafted speeches at football stadiums. Face it, both sides are going to tell you what you want to hear. What you need to do is look at their record (even if it’s a short one like Obama) and determine what they’re going to do from their previous actions, not their current words. ---
**Author:** ![ineedacar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/48db29/32.png) [@ineedacar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ineedacar)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/28 "2008-09-18T08:04:34Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > What you need to do is look at their record (even if it’s a short one like Obama) and determine what they’re going to do from their previous actions, not their current words. or look @ Palin’s even shorter record that she’s now reniging on issues she appeared to feel so strongly for before 😛 sorry had to ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/29 "2008-09-18T08:08:22Z")
> [@ineedacar](#): > > or look @ Palin’s even shorter record that she’s now reniging on issues she appeared to feel so strongly for before > > 😛 sorry had to And what did I just say? They’re going to tell you what you want to hear. Besides, I’d still rather have my inexperience at the bottom of the ticket instead of the top. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/30 "2008-09-18T08:09:36Z")
God the world sucks. This shouldn’t even be an issue at all. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/31 "2008-09-18T08:10:27Z")
I can understand a “ban” meaning limitation of full auto and silenced weapons to the public. Beyond that, I feel there should not be limitations. Plus Obama just sucks in general, so why would you even consider voting for him? You pick it, the rock or the hard place, which would be more comfortable to you? ---
**Author:** ![DeusExMachina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deusexmachina/32/5036_2.png) [@DeusExMachina](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeusExMachina)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/32 "2008-09-18T08:21:13Z")
Also agree with JEG. + karma (oh wait) My own opinion… I think automatic weapons aren’t necessary and can’t think of any reason to own one other than “its fun”, but I think you should legally be allowed to own one if you want to. The amount of legally owned and registered weapons used in crimes is very very very small. Something needs to be done about illegal weapons, not more restrictions placed on legal ones. Thats where the problem is. If a gang/mafia/etc has enough money and connections, they can get an automatic weapon and use it to commit crimes. ---
**Author:** ![ineedacar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/48db29/32.png) [@ineedacar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ineedacar)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/33 "2008-09-18T08:25:21Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > And what did I just say? They’re going to tell you what you want to hear. > > Besides, I’d still rather have my inexperience at the bottom of the ticket instead of the top. 😉 True, but McCain probably won’t live through his presidency leaving that stupid woman in office… And at the same time, there would probably be so many attempts on Obama’s life (given the fact there was a few foiled plans already), we leave Biden in office… which to me isn’t something to write home about either. Fuck what a shitty election. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/34 "2008-09-18T08:26:12Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > The sourced every one of their facts. FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1 There’s a whole lot of opinion after the word FACT there FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9 Wait, that’s a bad thing? I could see a real argument on the age, but I don’t see why you should be allowed to fire a weapon without passing some sort of training class/test…like driving… ---
**Author:** ![ineedacar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/48db29/32.png) [@ineedacar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ineedacar)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/35 "2008-09-18T08:29:08Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9 > > Wait, that’s a bad thing? heh I missed this one on that page I think the age on pistols should be raised, and that’s coming from someone that’s 21 and wants a pistol permit. I can’t tell you how many douchebags I know that turn 21 and make it a focus of their life to get one. I used to think that was old enough… until i got here and realized most 21 year olds are still incredibly immature ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/36 "2008-09-18T08:30:39Z")
I want one of those. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/37 "2008-09-18T08:47:01Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > Wait, that’s a bad thing? I could see a real argument on the age, but I don’t see why you should be allowed to fire a weapon without passing some sort of training class/test…like driving… I never said I agreed with all of them Joe. But yeah, 21 is fine with me. I wouldn’t oppose training though. However, we all know where that leads. All it does it turn into a joke test that is more about taxing people than actually training them, much like our drivers license program. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/38 "2008-09-18T08:49:18Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I never said I agreed with all of them Joe. I just think it’s hilarious that they list that as proof of him being “anti” gun ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/39 "2008-09-18T08:51:35Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > I can understand a “ban” meaning limitation of full auto and silenced weapons to the public. Beyond that, I feel there should not be limitations. > > Plus Obama just sucks in general, so why would you even consider voting for him? > > You pick it, the rock or the hard place, which would be more comfortable to you? ding ding ding. + karma (if it were still here) ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112/40 "2008-09-18T08:53:09Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > I just think it’s hilarious that they list that as proof of him being “anti” gun No, they list that as part of a long list that proves he’s anti-gun. Taken by itself I agree, it’s a bad example, but taken as part of his entire history it fits in well. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-nra-on-obama/55112.md?page=3)