# The OFFICIAL Gun Thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 1, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-official-gun-thread/242496 "2009-03-01T21:19:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 2186
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-official-gun-thread/242496/2186 "2012-12-17T10:45:44Z")
> [@seen.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seen/50958/65): > > that looks like the kel tec plr16. they are legal in ny > > also to boost creep go for the 5.56 if you like the fact rounds are easy to find. but if you want something better go with a 22-250. the ammo cost more but the bullet is so much better. best varmit round imo. > > also whats your guys take on barrel length and twist rate for a ar platform in 5.56? looking to shoot 55grain which is the most common i think I don’t know if you can, but I can’t really find anyone shooting a .22-250 out of an AR with much success if any at all. Also, 55gr and 62gr is most common in 5.56. The military uses 1:7" twist barrels in 14.5-20" lengths usually for the round, and it stabilizes both bullet weights perfectly fine. If you don’t plan on shooting anything heavier than 62gr, then you’d probably be fine with a 1:9" or 1:8" twist. 1:7" is most common though, and you can shoot up to 75-80gr bullets with ease. > [@A white C6 for 30K?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-white-c6-for-30k/51287/25): > > with the exception of the short barrels. > > i know a serbu short shotgun is not a long gun. > > for the most part your right tho Serbu shotgun is classified as an AOW (Any Other Weapon), and to the best of my knowledge are illegal in NYS, like short barreled rifles and shotguns. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-official-gun-thread/242496)._