# The philosophical side of modding our cars.... **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [March 8, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961 "2008-03-08T21:06:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/1 "2008-03-08T21:06:25Z")
This thread is in response to the ever growing number of argument threads of why a certain car is better than another: Please take your time and read through the whole thing before responding. For a moment, please take cars or anything that have to do anything with them, out of your head for a moment. In order to understand what the point I am trying to achieve you have to look at things from the outside. I am going to discuss opinion and how it affects the way we react to a situation. There are two types of opinions. An objective opinion, which can be scientifically proven and a subjective opinion which is defined by an individual experience. For example, a person states their opinion that water is H2O. This is an objective opinion. It can be defined by science. If a person then says that lying is bad, they are stating a subjective opinion based upon their own personal traditions or cultural traditions. It is **IMPOSSIBLE** to dissprove this person of their opinion. You may counter with your opinion that lying is good but it will mean nothing to the person who thinks otherwise. They believe in what they believe. This is true for **ANY** subjective opinion, in theory. Even if someone says that murder is good, it can only be based upon their beliefs and cultural ideology. In some cultures murder is accepted more than in others. This goes for people trying to say what car is better. It simply **CAN’T** be done. There are too many variables as to why a car could be better than the other. You can come up with a million reasons why a car can be better than the other but those reasons will always be futily argued and affected by different variables of which are infiniate. You can argue if a car is faster than the other, that can be proven. But to state which car is “better” will never be an argument that can be won. Such as to say that a certain car looks better than the other. This can’t be proven only argued. So please if you have the intelligence to comprehend what I have just stated, don’t argue any more about which car is better. It is impossible, literally. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/2 "2008-03-08T21:10:53Z")
Good post, Thank you :thumb. If there was one car that was the best, there would only be one car on the market. Each and every car has advantages over the other, and that goes for every car, yes even a 3 Cyl Geo Metro will have an advantage or two over Ferrari F430. ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/3 "2008-03-08T21:21:25Z")
> [@Vovchandr](#): > > yes even a 3 Cyl Geo Metro will have an advantage or two over Ferrari F430. lol, i dont even want to know. VERY nice post :thumb ---
**Author:** ![Hank1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hank1/32/6329_2.png) [@Hank1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hank1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/4 "2008-03-08T21:31:25Z")
fahk it at one point or another all cars suck.!!! ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/5 "2008-03-08T21:35:29Z")
^^ Perfect example of a subjective opinion! Thanks HANK! ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/6 "2008-03-08T21:37:24Z")
I have yet to work on a car that didnt piss me off some how. Even oil changes can suck on some cars. Im with Hank… this is an objective opinion ---
**Author:** ![Hank1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hank1/32/6329_2.png) [@Hank1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hank1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/7 "2008-03-08T21:55:35Z")
it may be a perfect example. but my point is no matter how stuck on ur car make or model , import or domestic. u cant tell me at one point in time or another u thought it was the biggest pos cuz it pissed u off!!! i’m not no word smith. so i hope i got my point acroos thats all. i just seem to have a tough with that sum times. could just be all the welding fumes!! ;D ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/8 "2008-03-09T07:33:59Z")
> [@Johawk](#): > > I have yet to work on a car that didnt piss me off some how. Even oil changes can suck on some cars. Im with Hank… this is an objective opinion Not that I don’t agree with you…but that is still subjective. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/9 "2008-03-09T07:48:33Z")
Hank. Spell check. Stat. ---
**Author:** ![Hank1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hank1/32/6329_2.png) [@Hank1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hank1)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/10 "2008-03-09T08:39:12Z")
> [@Cossey](#): > > Hank. Spell check. Stat. u aint got nuttin better to do than poke fun of my spellin???ur a mod just straighten it out for my pal… :lol ---
**Author:** ![Criscone24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Criscone24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Criscone24)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/11 "2008-03-09T10:13:47Z")
i was told if you have mozilla it does spell checks for you. So ive been told. Anyhow good post, this is very true. Most people will say an hyandi accent is shit, but somewhere out there, someone loves the car and will disagree very much so with you. ---
**Author:** ![Fn\_Skanks](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fn_skanks/32/6308_2.png) [@Fn\_Skanks](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fn_Skanks)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/12 "2008-03-09T10:28:06Z")
yes mozilla does spell check, and it is better than internet explorer IMO, but we won’t get into that. to the OP 97vr4: GREAT POST! excellent way of breaking it down. :thumb ---
**Author:** ![AyoCimmino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19adc/32.png) [@AyoCimmino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AyoCimmino)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/13 "2008-03-09T14:49:50Z")
damn…that was deep ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/14 "2008-03-09T14:55:54Z")
> [@Vovchandr](#): > > yes even a 3 Cyl Geo Metro will have an advantage or two over Ferrari F430. I don’t even know about that…that may be one exception :lol ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast/32/6281_2.png) [@Auto0utcast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/15 "2008-03-09T15:28:56Z")
id rather pay the insurance on the metro than the ferrari… also would love the fuel mileage of the 3cyl vs a big v12 ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/16 "2008-03-09T16:00:11Z")
hondas suck /objective opinion ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/17 "2008-03-09T17:04:14Z")
> [@EJ257FTW](#): > > id rather pay the insurance on the metro than the ferrari… also would love the fuel mileage of the 3cyl vs a big v12 F430’s are V8’s…most new Ferrari’s are 6’s or 8’s > [@bennyfizzle](#): > > hondas suck > > /objective opinion your sentra sucks…for real ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/18 "2008-03-09T23:13:58Z")
> [@K-20power](#): > > your sentra sucks…for real its gunna be sucking alot of N20 soon… :lol then BOOM. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/19 "2008-03-10T04:15:10Z")
> [@K-20power](#): > > your sentra sucks…for real truth > [@Hooked on 240](#): > > its gunna be sucking alot of N20 soon… :lol then BOOM. truth ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961/20 "2008-03-10T07:24:08Z")
> [@Johawk](#): > > I have yet to work on a car that didnt piss me off some how. Even oil changes can suck on some cars. Im with Hank… this is an objective opinion my audi’s been fighting me since day one, when i started to get it ready for audio. the eclipse was a snap compared to this car. with the amount of work im doing though, pretty much any car will be a bitch, but hey, im doing this for me. i like it, so its worth it to do it. you wont really see 95% of it, but you’ll hear it. “to each their own”, ya know? [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-philosophical-side-of-modding-our-cars/235961.md?page=2)