# The Rapid Move To All Electric (But Real Goal = No Personal Cars) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [November 10, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045 "2020-11-10T21:14:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/1 "2020-11-10T21:14:42Z")
Makes sense. If electric replaces everything, how are you going to keep your classic 911 effectively on the road? Maybe we’ll see other “craft” fuels pop up similar to the craft beer craze. Although… > … about $37 per gallon. His team is working on bringing costs down to below $2 per liter. > **[Porsche begins investing in synthetic fuels to keep classics on the road -...](https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/porsche-begins-investing-in-synthetic-fuels-to-keep-classics-on-the-road/)** > > Porsche is planning to address classic cars' fuel needs of the future by investing in affordable synthetic fuel to keep its history running. ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/2 "2020-11-11T13:13:53Z")
Always wondered about this. I wouldn’t just say classics, but any car that anyone wants to keep on the road years from now as we move away from petroleum. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/3 "2020-11-11T14:52:20Z")
I expect gasoline to be around longer than I will be, and probably longer than my kid will be. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/4 "2020-11-11T21:44:35Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I expect gasoline to be around longer than I will be, and probably longer than my kid will be. Maybe here in NY. More likely it’ll disappear in CA. Especially when they’re doing this: [https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/No-more-natural-gas-in-new-San-Francisco-15717658.php](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/No-more-natural-gas-in-new-San-Francisco-15717658.php) ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/5 "2020-11-11T22:28:16Z")
I couldn’t care less what happens in CA. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/6 "2020-11-11T23:16:11Z")
Let it fuckin burn. ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/7 "2020-11-12T19:43:30Z")
Natural gas is our best energy value! That’s what the commercials say anyways ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/8 "2020-12-04T16:15:18Z")
No more gas Hondas soon? > **[Honda to stop selling pure petrol and diesel cars in Europe in 2022 | Autocar](https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/honda-stop-selling-pure-petrol-and-diesel-cars-europe-2022)** > > Senior vice president of the Japanese company’s European arm confirms the target date ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/9 "2020-12-07T15:04:50Z")
Japan? > **[Japan may ban sale of new gasoline-powered vehicles in mid-2030s: media](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-autos-gasoline/japan-may-ban-sale-of-new-gasoline-powered-vehicles-in-mid-2030s-media-idUKKBN28D044?utm_source=reddit.com)** > > Japan may ban sales of new gasoline-engine cars by the mid-2030s in favour of hybrid or electric vehicles, public broadcaster NHK reported on Thursday, aligning it with other countries and regions that are imposing curbs on fossil fuel vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/10 "2020-12-27T02:34:49Z")
> [@Onyx\_Z32](#): > > Japan? Yep, Japan… > **[Japan to Phase Out Gasoline-Powered Cars, Bucking Toyota Chief](https://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-to-phase-out-gasoline-powered-cars-bucking-toyota-chief-11608887640)** > > The nation’s plan to end sales of gas vehicles by the mid-2030s—combined with moves in China, Europe and California—adds pressure on global auto makers to shift more quickly to electric vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/11 "2021-01-28T23:12:11Z")
No more GM gas vehicles. Diesel too: > **[General Motors plans to exclusively offer electric vehicles by 2035](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/general-motors-plans-to-exclusively-offer-electric-vehicles-by-2035.html)** > > GM announced its "aspirations" Thursday as part of a larger plan for the Detroit automaker to be carbon neutral by 2040 in its global products and operations. ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/12 "2021-01-29T01:06:57Z")
Idk. I have a Prius prime for a cheap to operate daily. I charge at home and then at work. I drive about 15k a year and spend about $10/month on fuel. Once my kid turns 16 I’ll give it to him and buy a proper EV. My DD will always be an EV. I really like how civilized it is. Very quiet and linear. As charging gets quicker and range increases there’s no real reason to have ICE (except race car noises and boooost) ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/13 "2021-01-29T12:40:53Z")
> [@vq30de](#): > > charging gets quicker and range increases I’m all for EVs. I think this could be one of the most exciting times in automotive design since the genesis of the auto industry. Without an engine, and depending on if/how safety regulations evolve, we could start to see some really interesting stuff. And ultimately it all leads to personal transport drones. But EV range & charge is still blah on the consumer side. I’ll stick with my 650 miles diesel range in the mean time. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/14 "2021-01-29T14:06:44Z")
I’m really curious about a few things. 1. Do we have the infrastructure to go all electric and have say the majority of homes charging cars in the summer while running air conditioners on a +80 degree night? I feel like Buffalo wouldn’t be able to handle it as national grid seems to chime in every summer about being at capacity. 2. Where are we getting all of these batteries from and where will they be disposed of when they are no longer functional/unable to hold a charge? 3. Will the mining of these minerals needed be able to keep up with the demand? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/15 "2021-01-29T14:19:41Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > Do we have the infrastructure to go all electric and have say the majority of homes charging cars in the summer while running air conditioners on a +80 degree night? I feel like Buffalo wouldn’t be able to handle it as national grid seems to chime in every summer about being at capacity. > **[Electric Cars Will Challenge State Power Grids - Stateline](https://stateline.org/2020/01/09/electric-cars-will-challenge-state-power-grids/)** > > SEATTLE — When Seattle City Light unveiled five new electric vehicle charging stations last month in an industrial neighborhood south of downtown, the electric utility wasn’t just offering a new spot for drivers to fuel up. It also was creating a way... ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/16 "2021-01-29T14:20:40Z")
Off peak charging will be important. In fact grid offers a discount now if you charge over night ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/17 "2021-01-29T16:51:27Z")
Ask California how that’s going. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/18 "2021-01-29T17:23:51Z")
I keep talking about them as well. You want all electric cars yet you turn of the power several times a year to various locations. I mean, I guess you could purchase a generator if you live in these areas so you have a backup, but still. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/19 "2021-01-30T00:34:45Z")
Nobody is going to spend the required money on infra to make this work at scale. The gov is basically pushing an unfunded mandate to have auto makers build EV with 0 plans to handle distribution or generation. Think of it this way look at the struggle to build out fiber access for Americans… It’s a novelty that 2-3 bros with Teslas get free power at a handful of offices/stores wait till the number of people with EVs tips 20-30%. Auto insurance, Collision repair, and a few other industries are going to be real intresting in most of our lifetimes when you combine a fast roll out of EV + collision avoidance tech. ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/20 "2021-01-30T13:28:00Z")
Range is awful if you’re a spirited driver. My friend Brett has a Tesla 3. There’s an autocross track at Seneca Army Depot which is roughly 2 hours away (100~ish miles each way). His Tesla has a “range” of 300 miles supposedly. If he drives it to Seneca, and puts it into ludicrous mode and makes 6 runs, he won’t make it home. Keep in mind that it’s not like a drag race where your foot is to the floor the entire time. You’re basically just full throttle for a few fractions of each 50-60 second run. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045.md?page=2)