# The Rapid Move To All Electric (But Real Goal = No Personal Cars) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [November 10, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045 "2020-11-10T21:14:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/301 "2022-08-31T11:15:25Z")
This got me thinking. Has anyone seen fire suppressors at any EV charging station? > ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/302 "2022-08-31T12:12:05Z")
Gasoline isn’t exactly great when it catches on fire either, but EV battery fires are almost impossible to put out because of the design of the sealed battery pack. Once a single cell runs away it’s a chain reaction with the cell next to it and the only way to stop it is to cool the pack to stop the chain reaction. While almost any extinguisher or even a strong blast of water can do this on an exposed multi-cell pack EV packs are built into sealed watertight boxes. > **[Electric vehicle fires: Where the waiting game wins](https://www.firerescue1.com/electric-vehicles/articles/electric-vehicle-fires-where-the-waiting-game-wins-f934UedqIpVqc1k2/)** > > Firefighters love testing new tactics and tools, but some methods simply don’t address the key issue with EV fires ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/303 "2022-09-01T02:24:45Z")
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**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/304 "2022-09-14T11:06:37Z")
I love when people start sentences with “fact is” because it indicates they’re not open to other ideas: > “The fact is: a hybrid today is not green technology. The Prius hybrid runs on a pollution-emitting combustion engine found in any gas-powered car,” Katherine García, director of the Sierra Club So Toyota gets shit on for taking a balance approach… > Toyota executives expect different areas of the world to adopt electric vehicles at varying rates, largely based on available energy, infrastructure and raw materials needed for the batteries to power the vehicles. Seems quite reasonable. Also, > there is significantly insufficient production of battery-grade nickel, cobalt and manganese sulfate to reach U.S. EV targets by 2030… even if all forecast nickel sulfate production through 2030 from U.S. and free trade agreement countries went into producing electric vehicles, it would supply less than 60% of EV targets set by automakers during that timeframe. I’m sure this is based on current available extraction methods, but still. Someone needs to send the Sierra Club pics of cobalt mines and Chinese boats scraping the ocean floor for manganese, lol. > **[Why Toyota – the world's largest automaker – isn't all-in on electric vehicles](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/13/why-toyota-the-worlds-largest-automaker-isnt-all-in-on-evs.html)** > > Toyota doesn't believe battery-electric vehicles are the only solution to producing more sustainable vehicles and achieving carbon neutrality. ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/305 "2022-09-15T16:07:01Z")
Eagers Nissan sales manager has acquired a R34 GT-R at a great price! ![306083237_661898514989444_1919397368286206859_n](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/b/7/b714ca7ad6f99f6adb862f6ebaf50355b981a9a5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Z28pr0jekt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/z28pr0jekt/32/5393_2.png) [@Z28pr0jekt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Z28pr0jekt)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/306 "2022-09-15T16:40:19Z")
Nobody could possibly be that dumb ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/307 "2022-09-15T16:45:54Z")
That’s fake. No car guy would do that. Nice try though. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/308 "2022-09-23T11:36:14Z")
Interesting. So inverters trip, causing power outages. You can make inverters that don’t trip, but at risk of damage. The plant in Texas that they thought wouldn’t have this problem… Has this problem, lol. > **[Why solar 'tripping' is a grid threat for renewables](https://www.eenews.net/articles/why-solar-tripping-is-a-grid-threat-for-renewables/)** > > Renewables make up a growing portion of the electricity mix and the vast majority of proposed new generation. But incidences where plants unexpectedly go ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/309 "2022-09-23T12:33:12Z")
After reading that I’m really glad I had the transfer switch installed this year so my generator can power up my whole house with just the flip of a couple switches. Our grid is going to get so much worse in the coming years and I’m sure NY will be in a race with CA for the bottom as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/310 "2022-09-26T11:24:28Z")
> We already are seeing some slight shifting in this stance. Herbert Diess, a proponent of an all-electric future for VW Group has been replaced by Porsche’s Oliver Blume. While embracing EV technology, Blume also believes eFuels as a way to make existing cars more carbon neutral while allowing the continued production of ICE icons like the 911. > **[Legacy Automakers Should Think Twice Before Abandoning ICE Technology](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/legacy-automakers-should-think-twice-before-abandoning-ice-technology-199164.html)** > > Remember the last factory-built American convertible? I do. It was a white 1976 Cadillac Eldorado, which rolled off the assembly line in April 21 of that... ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/311 "2022-10-01T12:41:47Z")
> Automakers must sell 68% of sales by 2030 as EVs or plug-ins and by 2035 can sell no more than 20% of models as plug-in hybrids. > **[New York state to adopt California 2035 EV rules](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/new-york-state-adopt-california-2035-ev-rules-2022-09-29/)** > > New York state plans to adopt California's rules approved in August that would require all new vehicles sold in the state by 2035 to be either electric or plug-in electric hybrids, Governor Kathy Hochul said on Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/312 "2022-10-01T18:38:05Z")
Idiots ---
**Author:** ![TurboTSi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@TurboTSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTSi)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/313 "2022-10-03T14:17:21Z")
Seeing as these are basically impossible standards to hit by 2035, for both the electric grid and for car makers to produce a profitable and affordable EV for the masses… but say it was to go into effect, do any of the laws say anything about buying ICE cars in other states and registering them here? All these headlines I read are just about carmakers selling them in NY. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/314 "2022-10-03T14:34:17Z")
You mean like buying guns out of state, ammo out of state…lol ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/315 "2022-10-03T19:54:21Z")
Media embargo lifted on the z. > **[2023 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 First Test: The Best American Sports Car Ever Made](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-first-test-review/)** > > That might be a strong statement, but it’s not as strong as the spectacularly unhinged track-torching Corvette Z06. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/9/d/9d6d8c6d5b3f79de07c319333bbb46c9ba45c769.jpeg "2023 Corvette C8 Z06 | Making Cars Great Again") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJP6oXfZkFo) [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/6/3/6360c9af6ef6a1f3814f3d37f9b83bcbfae0827d.jpeg "The 2023 C8 Corvette Z06 Is Ferrari's Worst Nightmare") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBJdZWcdNKY) ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/316 "2022-10-06T02:12:17Z")
Can’t ship them because of government weight limits. Increase the limit, roads wear faster. Road repairs require… petroleum > **[As EV sales grow, battle over U.S. road weight limits heats up](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ev-sales-grow-battle-over-132133878.html)** > > Car haulers are pushing the Biden administration and lawmakers to increase truck weight limits on U.S. highways so they can transport more heavy electric vehicles, a move fiercely opposed by the rail industry and safety advocates who say the heavier... ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/317 "2022-10-15T14:16:44Z")
Yikes > > > Bob Rommel @bob\_rommel ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/318 "2022-11-24T12:54:20Z")
California going all in > **[California looks to ban all diesel trucks](https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-plans-diesel-truck-ban-17604361.php)** > > A public hearing on the proposal proved contentious.  ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/319 "2022-11-28T14:04:51Z")
> Declaring the death of the car is like… declaring the death of the toilet, because you don’t like what people put down it. Sure, disapprove all you want, but humans are still going to need to do their business > **[Opinion: ignore the doomsayers, we'll still need cars in our future](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/opinion/opinion-ignore-doomsayers-well-still-need-cars-our-future)** > > Outstanding public transport still won't solve every transport need in our shiny utopian future ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/320 "2022-12-02T12:56:27Z")
lol > **[Switzerland Considers Electric Vehicle Ban To Avoid Blackouts | OilPrice.com](https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Switzerland-Considers-Electric-Vehicle-Ban-To-Avoid-Blackouts.html)** > > Switzerland is considering limiting the use of electric vehicles this winter in order to ensure energy security this winter [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045.md?page=17)