# The Rapid Move To All Electric (But Real Goal = No Personal Cars) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [November 10, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045 "2020-11-10T21:14:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/121 "2021-10-12T15:19:52Z")
The generator one is the one I can’t get over. I’ve got a 40v Ryobi electric string line trimmer and it’s far better than any gas one I’ve ever had, including big 2 strokes and even a 4 stroke. I still think outlawing a gas one is dumb, but there’s a perfectly good alternative electric version readily available. I was looking at the electric mowers last week and when my gas one dies I’ll likely go that route for it’s replacement. Hopefully by then the robot ones will be as good as my robot vacuum and I’ll go that route. A generator though? The whole point of a generator is to have it for when the electricity is out or to use it when you’re in places off the grid. Mandating zero emissions in a generator is so far out in clown world it’s something I’d expect in a Babylon Bee headline not actual law. ---
**Author:** ![OfficerK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@OfficerK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OfficerK)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/122 "2021-10-12T15:59:29Z")
On your point, its god awful for landscape companies. Are they all going to have to buy a new Lightning so that they can constantly charge their electric equipment? ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/123 "2021-10-12T16:04:08Z")
So never looked into these “Electric generators” but this is what I came across and I guess I wouldn’t have thought of the solar panel charging situation. “Not only are **electric power banks cleaner than gas generators** because they don’t burn gasoline or propane, they can be made completely green by charging them with a solar panel. Powering an electric power bank separately from the utility grid has the extra benefit of an added layer of protection from power outages.” ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/124 "2021-10-12T16:36:50Z")
It’s going to absolutely kill small business landscapers. Have you seen the prices for electric zero turn mowers? These people get into it by buying cheaper used gas powered units and then grow their clients, with electric that is going to get crushed. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/125 "2021-10-12T16:52:00Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > So never looked into these “Electric generators” but this is what I came across and I guess I wouldn’t have thought of the solar panel charging situation. > > “Not only are **electric power banks cleaner than gas generators** because they don’t burn gasoline or propane, they can be made completely green by charging them with a solar panel. Powering an electric power bank separately from the utility grid has the extra benefit of an added layer of protection from power outages.” Right, but I have a generator for natural disasters where my power may be out for long periods due to bad weather. Bad weather = clouds, and solar isn’t going to do shit. I’d know since I have 30 panels on my roof. Plus I can toss the generator in the back of my SUV and have 110v power literally anywhere. To charge a big bank of batteries would take a huge solar array, something that would hardly be portable. ---
**Author:** ![OfficerK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@OfficerK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OfficerK)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/126 "2021-10-12T17:17:02Z")
Hope they are using all electric resources, charged via renewable energy to harvest, process, transport and dispose of these cells as well. ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/127 "2021-10-12T23:48:28Z")
The landscapers are going to have to buy 50 extra batteries and have them all charged and ready to go. Or have their tow vehicle equipped to be able to charge them as they drive to the next stop. My little electric push mower will cut my lawn approximately 4 times on a full charge, but my lawn is tiny. My weedeater will probably run for 20 minutes? It’s an interesting problem that only California will have lol. That state is so fucked up it amazes me that it’s population is so large. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/128 "2021-10-13T00:32:45Z")
I’m guessing the drive between each stop for a typical landscaper’s shift isn’t that far, definitely not far enough to put much charge on the big batteries a large zero turn uses. Plus the massive amperage you need to charge multiples of those at once. Doubt most vehicle alternators are close to enough. I suppose if it’s your business it’s not a huge deal to just buy out of state. Not like you have to register them (yet). ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/129 "2021-10-13T01:03:21Z")
All of these arguments are assuming that California will have enough water to grow grass. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/130 "2021-10-13T12:06:31Z")
“That only California will have.” New York State: Hold my beer. New York follows all of these stupid mandates that CA keeps coming up with. I’ll give it a little but you watch and I’m sure we will have something coming very similar to this. ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/131 "2021-10-15T11:52:50Z")
Not entirely. We all know that NY is fucked up, but they still haven’t adopted vehicle sniffer tests, which I honestly thought we would have by now. I can’t wait to move. Every week or so, my girl and I will browse through Zillow and look at the housing market in republican states 5-8 hours away. It’s just unreal to see property taxes under $1000/year for houses 3 times the size of mine. Then you check the local sales tax, gas pricing, average auto-insurance pricing, food, etc, and you realize that an average family would save $600-$1000/month just by transplanting themselves elsewhere. Plus the weather is better! But I digress, back to electric cars! ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/132 "2021-10-25T20:34:46Z")
This was interesting to come across. I have not looked through it carefully, just skimmed through. > **[Which is more expensive: Charging an electric vehicle or fueling a car with gas?](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/which-is-more-expensive-charging-an-electric-vehicle-or-fueling-a-car-with-gas/ar-AAPRY3d?li=BBnb7Kz)** > > EVs cost more to power than gasoline costs to fuel an internal combustion car with reasonable gas mileage, according to an Anderson Economic Group report. > **[EVtransition\_FuelingCostStudy\_10-21-21.pdf](https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/EVtransition_FuelingCostStudy_10-21-21.pdf)** > > 2.27 MB ---
**Author:** ![LUC1F3R](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luc1f3r/32/7299_2.png) [@LUC1F3R](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUC1F3R)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/133 "2021-10-26T16:28:20Z")
Seems like an EV hit job to me. They compared to a car getting 33mpg (I’ve never averaged 33mpg in anything I’ve owned) and then used the high end of every electric cost they could find. For example, they assume you’ll waste 1000 miles per year driving to commercial chargers to get 30% of your electric at $0.43/kwh…that’s insane. Meanwhile they re using a gas price of only $2.79/gal. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/134 "2021-10-26T19:42:01Z")
I was getting about 33mpg in my GTI while driving it around nicely (not putting my foot down) My Alltrack currently gets 30mpg. Most cars now are getting 30+ mpg, my wifes 2014 Fusion being one that his about 30mpg. Really, cars should be doing 35+mpg these days but because of the push for electric, they are more focused on that now. Last I saw, Mazda just produced the Skyactiv-X engine which could be good for up to about 50mpg. If this technology could take off, cars should get better fuel economy. The problem is we jumped to hard on electric in my opinion with other options still on the table to slowly transition eventually to electric. ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/135 "2021-10-27T00:14:19Z")
I just hit 3000 miles in my wienermobile prius prime on one tank of fuel (10 gals). I charge it at work and at home, so I’m only paying the bill for half of it. Tell me how that’s not cheaper than an ICE car? Disregard the mental cost of driving such a dweebmobile ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/136 "2021-10-27T12:11:44Z")
I wouldn’t compare a Prius which is gas and electric as if the Prius is an EV car. I’m all for Hybrids over EV cars and felt that was the first step we should have taken before going full EV. ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/137 "2021-10-27T12:55:49Z")
Eh. I’m in full EV mode basically. I’m all in now - I have a reservation for a F150 lightening ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/138 "2021-10-30T23:12:58Z")
lol. Probably out of context, but still lol. > **[@edsmanifesto\_](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVqyR1WBdih)** ---
**Author:** ![HouseS2K](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/houses2k/32/100273_2.png) [@HouseS2K](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HouseS2K)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2021, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/139 "2021-10-31T03:26:00Z")
Didn’t know where to stick this so here seemed good. > **[Governor Hochul Signs Legislation Cracking Down on Noisy, Illegal Mufflers...](https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-signs-legislation-cracking-down-noisy-illegal-mufflers-and-exhaust-systems)** > > Governor Hochul signed legislation that increases penalties against motorists and repair shops that illegally modify mufflers and exhaust systems to make them excessively noisy — an act associated with aggressive driving that harms community... ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045/140 "2021-10-31T14:13:15Z")
lolololol > Maureen Landers said, “Modified exhaust systems serve no purpose other than to create fear, chaos and intimidation” [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rapid-move-to-all-electric-but-real-goal-no-personal-cars/1414045.md?page=8)