# The Secret Effort to Kill Health Care Reform **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165 "2009-09-29T07:21:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/21 "2009-09-30T12:50:40Z")
> [@glitch](#): > > LOL, Blue Eyed fails once again. Not! Well unless you believe Stroked’s BS. Let this be a lesson to you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/22 "2009-09-30T12:53:41Z")
everyone is so inclined to believe that he came out and just said what he was going to do and he did it. This is ubsurd and in germany just like in any other country where the government wants to commit attrocities, the propoganda machine was rolling. Hitler was a very smart man and did a very good job in the beginning of his “presidency” of making the people think he was a proponent of peace. ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/23 "2009-09-30T13:06:34Z")
I find almost all of the current healthcare debate a waste of time because none of it fixes anything. Show me a plan that actually has merit and I would debate it. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/24 "2009-09-30T13:31:36Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Not! Well unless you believe Stroked’s BS. > Let this be a lesson to you. 😉 Yes you are right Hitler never published a book stating his beliefs and views of the world and the Jews. :rolljerk: ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/25 "2009-09-30T13:35:01Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#): > > no hitler deffinitly did not propose all the evil he commited right away. Hitler gave speeches about disarming his own country and drafting constitutions against paricipating in any war. He never did any of that but the point im trying to make is that he made himself out to be a very peaceful person. Are we talking about the same Hitler? Look at what he did prior to WWII, nothing peacful in his actions or speeches. ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/26 "2009-09-30T20:09:03Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Are we talking about the same Hitler? Look at what he did prior to WWII, nothing peacful in his actions or speeches. Don’t you get it by now? History is skewed according to the beliefs of far right-wingers. Just like how they believe the US was intented to be a Christian nation. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/27 "2009-10-01T15:57:47Z")
prior to world war 2 he lead revolts against the government in the name of peace and liberty. He was involved in the beer hall putsch and only served 7 months in jail. He wantd to enthrone a far right wing nationalistic government. This does not mean that he was perceived as a violent or dangerous man. Lots and lots of people were involved int he beer hall putsch. > [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Are we talking about the same Hitler? Look at what he did prior to WWII, nothing peacful in his actions or speeches. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/28 "2009-10-01T16:03:38Z")
ur fucking kidding me right. You obviously havent read the federalist, or the anti federalist papers, both of which contain vastly different viewpoints but both mention rather often the role that religion, christianity in general, played in the creation of this country. If they are too hard of a read for you, then try the 5000 year leap. Either way, dont just spew shit that you cant back up, because you are extremely wrong on what you just said. > [@glitch](#): > > Don’t you get it by now? History is skewed according to the beliefs of far right-wingers. Just like how they believe the US was intented to be a Christian nation. > 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/29 "2009-10-01T20:39:13Z")
> [@glitch](#): > > Don’t you get it by now? History is skewed according to the beliefs of far right-wingers. Just like how they believe the US was intented to be a Christian nation. > [@97\_B18b1](#): > > ur fucking kidding me right. You obviously havent read the federalist, or the anti federalist papers, both of which contain vastly different viewpoints but both mention rather often the role that religion, christianity in general, played in the creation of this country. If they are too hard of a read for you, then try the 5000 year leap. Either way, dont just spew shit that you cant back up, because you are extremely wrong on what you just said. See. :bigclap: The United States was created to escape religous prosecution and to up hold a seperation of church and state. Nice try. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/30 "2009-10-01T20:56:14Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Well of course they wouldn’t propose that. Did Hitler propose all of the evil he did right away?😉 Fucking hell that worked really well. I bow to your superior shit stirring. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/31 "2009-10-02T04:05:17Z")
of course seperatiopn of church and state was recognized. Religious leaders did not contribute or even take part in public office. But they were still seen as local role models and positions of respect. The founders often acknowledged that they, the federal govdernment will always stay out of debates and discrepencies between different religious groups and let them work it out on their own. But they wrote our founding documents on the morals and basis of christianity, they describe the way they did this thouroughly through their very own essays and pamphlets. > [@glitch](#): > > See. > :bigclap: > The United States was created to escape religous prosecution and to up hold a seperation of church and state. Nice try. ---
**Author:** ![DokiZen6x](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dokizen6x/32/5386_2.png) [@DokiZen6x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DokiZen6x)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/32 "2009-10-02T04:37:10Z")
Getting back on track… > [@d3x](#): > > both parties find numerous ways to nitpick any proposed health care reform but neither has a better idea. meanwhile a loved one has to figure out how to pay for $3000 worth of chemotherapy medication a month while living off of SSDI. And still we protest any talk of reform? Still we profit on people’s sickness? I’m no treehugger but goddamn this country is full of self serving pricks. I know this feeling. It was hell trying to get health insurance to even get looked at when I had softball sized groths in my neck. I went into a local hospitals ER without health insurance, 6 hours later and a ct scan, I was told it wasnt cancer and that I would be fine. If it wasnt for a family member being extremly close with an Onicologist (sp?), I would have DIED waiting to get health insurance because I made too much money being laid off. I think a lot of these people who are critizing this have never been in a situation where there is **no** way of getting health insurance and have to face the rediculous cost of heathcare and prejudice not having health insurance leads to in emergancys. Im not saying that Obama’s healthcare plan will make everything all better, but at least he is trying to do _something_. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/33 "2009-10-02T05:54:49Z")
FYI, “seperation of church and state” appears nowhere in our founding documents. It’s not there. It’s something we decided later on was implied. First line of the first amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” That’s it. No formal seperation. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/34 "2009-10-02T06:17:26Z")
Thomas jefferson wrote a letter to the danbury baptists assuring them that there would “be a wall between church and state” because the danbury baptists feared persecution from government. Thomas jefferson assured them this would happen by including it in the first amednment. Yes the first amendment is an implication to the seperation of church and state. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/35 "2009-10-02T06:19:02Z")
Hey did anyone see the new dollar coin yet? Aww, Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/36 "2009-10-02T06:29:10Z")
What’s on it? Masonic symbology? Hammer and sickle? Obama’s birth certificate? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/37 "2009-10-02T06:31:05Z")
The “IN GOD WE TRUST” is on the edge/rim so you really can’t see it and it will wear off in no time. Nice. > **[FACT CHECK: New Dollar Coins and 'In God We Trust'](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/historic-change/)** > > Does the design of new U.S. dollar coins omit the motto 'In God We Trust'? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/38 "2009-10-02T06:31:27Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Hey did anyone see the new dollar coin yet? Aww, Nevermind. > **[New Dollar Coins and 'In God We Trust'](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/historic-change/)** > > Does the design of new U.S. dollar coins omit the motto 'In God We Trust'? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/39 "2009-10-02T06:32:35Z")
😃 Beat you by a few seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-secret-effort-to-kill-health-care-reform/74165/40 "2009-10-02T07:51:58Z")
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