# The Shop CT-stay away **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [November 13, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300 "2011-11-13T01:47:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![love4boost](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/love4boost/32/6658_2.png) [@love4boost](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/love4boost)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/101 "2011-11-14T09:45:34Z")
> [@KrazyKid"](#): > > **Another one is that S2K that popped after the tune from Synapse. It didnt NEED to be tuned to the brink of explosion, but its “what the customer wanted” so it was done…**? From what I’ve heard the tune isnt what messed that car up, but the lack of fuel it was getting… Im not an expert by ANY means but usually when going with a high end fuel system you need to use very thick gauge wiring… Alex’s cars fuel pump was wired with speaker wire he said which obviously isnt thick enough which I would believe it to not get enough fuel? Not sure who did the fuel pump/s install but I would think that’d be the reason his motor was damaged? ---
**Author:** ![imported\_hybrdthry91](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_hybrdthry91/32/6315_2.png) [@imported\_hybrdthry91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_hybrdthry91)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/102 "2011-11-14T09:50:29Z")
> [@Newman's 1986 BMW 326rb build thread.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/newmans-1986-bmw-326rb-build-thread/22123/1640): > > From what I’ve heard the tune isnt what messed that car up, but the lack of fuel it was getting… Im not an expert by ANY means but usually when going with a high end fuel system you need to use very thick gauge wiring… Alex’s cars fuel pump was wired with speaker wire he said which obviously isnt thick enough which I would believe it to not get enough fuel? Not sure who did the fuel pump/s install but I would think that’d be the reason his motor was damaged? What damage? ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/103 "2011-11-14T09:52:45Z")
> [@Newman's 1986 BMW 326rb build thread.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/newmans-1986-bmw-326rb-build-thread/22123/1640): > > From what I’ve heard the tune isnt what messed that car up, but the lack of fuel it was getting… Im not an expert by ANY means but usually when going with a high end fuel system you need to use very thick gauge wiring… Alex’s cars fuel pump was wired with speaker wire he said which obviously isnt thick enough which I would believe it to not get enough fuel? Again, not to start pointing fingers, but its all hearsay. Technically speaking, I doubt that. Voltage = pump RPM. Amperage = tq the little pump makes more or less. Voltage shouldn’t change much at all wire thickness wise, but amperage can. Thinner wire = less amperage HANDLING over time. If the gauge of the wire meets the spec for the pump, it can be speaker wire, trailer wire, household wire, or what ever, and it wont make a lick of “performance” difference. IF the wire was too thin, and the heat built up, the amperage could drop which as the pump is under load MIGHT not make as much power as it should have and flow less… but thats a LONG shot in my head. kk disclaimer… Wasnt there, didnt see the car, done know the pump, the wiring spec, the wiring type, dont have my electrical properties hand book out to verify my theory. :rofl ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/104 "2011-11-14T10:28:49Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/46583/24): > > Again, not to start pointing fingers, but its all hearsay. > > Technically speaking, I doubt that. Voltage = pump RPM. Amperage = tq the little pump makes more or less. > > Voltage shouldn’t change much at all wire thickness wise, but amperage can. Thinner wire = less amperage HANDLING over time. If the gauge of the wire meets the spec for the pump, it can be speaker wire, trailer wire, household wire, or what ever, and it wont make a lick of “performance” difference. > > IF the wire was too thin, and the heat built up, the amperage could drop which as the pump is under load MIGHT not make as much power as it should have and flow less… but thats a LONG shot in my head. > > kk disclaimer… Wasnt there, didnt see the car, done know the pump, the wiring spec, the wiring type, dont have my electrical properties hand book out to verify my theory. :rofl Current draw from the pump could of been high enough to pull the voltage down because the wire was to thin to supply the pump with enough current. If they used speaker wire that was 16ga or bigger it would probably be ok, but if they cobbed speaker wire, there is probably a bunch of other things done incorrectly. :lol [http://www.altronix.com/app\_notes/calc.php](http://www.altronix.com/app_notes/calc.php) ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/105 "2011-11-14T10:57:47Z")
> [@articzap = 2.2 turbo cavi](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/articzap-2-2-turbo-cavi/46608/20): > > Current draw from the pump could of been high enough to pull the voltage down because the wire was to thin to supply the pump with enough current. If they used speaker wire that was 16ga or bigger it would probably be ok, but if they cobbed speaker wire, there is probably a bunch of other things done incorrectly. :lol > > [http://www.altronix.com/app\_notes/calc.php](http://www.altronix.com/app_notes/calc.php) +rep for checking my info. link is a great ref too! if thats the case: [http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/downloads/fuelpumps.pdf](http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/downloads/fuelpumps.pdf) 15.5 amps for an 044 assuming run is 10 feet of 16ga, voltage drop might be 1.3V thats enough to drop rpms quite a bit I bet. 22ga would pull out 5+ volts!!! 10ga would pull .32 volts. and 8 ga .2v /\ Thats some heavy ass power wire! If you put the pump under the hood and kept the wire run to 5 feet, 16ga would only drop voltage .65v. Surge tank with intank pump for the win! ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/106 "2011-11-14T11:04:57Z")
Or have the relay and battery out back near the in-tank pump! :lol ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/107 "2011-11-14T11:08:43Z")
> [@My New Gas Saver Project \[Picture Galore\] Bubble Butt](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-new-gas-saver-project-picture-galore-bubble-butt/46612/8): > > Or have the relay and battery out back near the in-tank pump! :lol becasue racecar, too much weight. but yeah that would work too. lol ---
**Author:** ![looksexyS2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/looksexys2000/32/6666_2.png) [@looksexyS2000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/looksexyS2000)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/108 "2011-11-14T11:37:17Z")
> [@KrazyKid"](#): > > All I want to say is this, and it doesnt point to anyone specific at all… its just a strong point anyone looking for ANY automotive work should consider. > > Is the car a street car, a weekend track warrior or a vehicle making you money? Unless you have money to blow, when your car blows… all but the last example NEED ultra precise, teetering on the edge, squeeze every last HP out tune. > > Owners tricking themselves and others into the NEED for such a high end tune are causing the shop/tuner to cringe every time such a customer leaves the lot. I understand the issue is locking/unlocked and charging you for something you didnt intend on getting. BUT my point is this issue is a prime example of my first response above. Another one is that S2K that popped after the tune from Synapse. It didnt NEED to be tuned to the brink of explosion, but its “what the customer wanted” so it was done… only to fail and now everyone jumps on the hate bandwagon. > > This is why any tuning I will be doing, you are signing something that says the moment it leaves this signature validates that the owner is 100% satisfied with the results, anything past that is the responsibility of the owner, and only the owner. Misconstrued public slander against my shop can be legally dealt with if needed. Or something along those lines. Dont like it, dont ask to be tuned… simple as that. > > Bottom line, my lively hood and those running my shop DO NOT need to be ruined by +/- 10whp! hey kk id like you to keep your comments and your business to yourself and no need to make assumptions about what happened between me and synapse…with that being said find 1 post where i bashed synapse? now the reason why i found out the cars motor was blown is when i broght the car to synapse with a boost issue they couldnt figure it out…so i did a boost leak test and found out where everything was leaking also checked the catch can and was full of e85 which led me to a compression test and results #1…180 #2 140 #3 140 #4 180 which also led me to do a leakdown test which showed #1 perfect #2 80% #3 45% #4 perfect and thats the reason why i said the car was blown…and got rid of it ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/109 "2011-11-14T11:41:38Z")
> [@\*\*\*\*\*Official: Mighty Meet Thread\*\*\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-mighty-meet-thread/10918/3464): > > not gonna lie but i will never go back to synapse myself Sounds like a bash to me :rofl ---
**Author:** ![looksexyS2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/looksexys2000/32/6666_2.png) [@looksexyS2000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/looksexyS2000)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/110 "2011-11-14T11:42:36Z")
> [@Off road meet?4-4-08](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/off-road-meet-4-4-08/46178/81): > > I know nothing about it. In response to alex’s car being tuned on the brink of explosion like krazy said i highly doubt that. > > Neither eric’s nor alex’s cars were tuned on the brink of explosion, nor was it what they asked for. And if alex’s tune was anything like erics tune which i would imagine it is close, it wasn’t even in the ball park of a mildly aggressive. Pushing the envelope of power and 500+hp per liter doesnt mean you are tuning them on the brink of explosion sure you might break parts, but they can be tuned in a safe zone still. > > Now the superchargers and turbocharger kits that come with locked systems are typically very limited, you aren’t paying for a tuning service like travis, you payed for the kit and the parts/tune to make the kit run on a stock engine. not for the service or a tunable EMS. Those kits do come with very conservative tuning solutions out of the box, that have limited adjustment for the same reasons everyone listed they don’t want anyone messing with it. If it came with an AEM EMS or something of the like that, and the software wouldn’t allow me to use the AEM EMS unless they touched it then we have a different story. > > I guess it all depends on how the tuner handled the transaction if you bought an EMS that can be end user adjusted, and the tuner didnt tell you that you wont be able to make those adjustments then there is a problem. If you knew up front and accepted it that then so be it. At least you made the choice. +1 mike if anyone one had any idea on what was involved in these builds they would know that these cars werent built and tuned to the limit…with that said i understand building a 4cyl to make a 1000whp is a ticking time bomb but still talking to other people like tony palo that setup is more than capable of more power ---
**Author:** ![arodracing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@arodracing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/arodracing)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/111 "2011-11-14T11:43:18Z")
> [@New Computer Set-up!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-computer-set-up/46595/16): > > hey kk id like you to keep your comments and your business to yourself and no need to make assumptions about what happened between me and synapse…with that being said find 1 post where i bashed synapse? > now the reason why i found out the cars motor was blown is when i broght the car to synapse with a boost issue they couldnt figure it out…so i did a boost leak test and found out where everything was leaking also checked the catch can and was full of e85 which led me to a compression test and results #1…180 #2 140 #3 140 #4 180 which also led me to do a leakdown test which showed #1 perfect #2 80% #3 45% #4 perfect and thats the reason why i said the car was blown…and got rid of it WTF!!! why you get rid of it? ---
**Author:** ![looksexyS2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/looksexys2000/32/6666_2.png) [@looksexyS2000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/looksexyS2000)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/112 "2011-11-14T11:44:13Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/45230/14): > > Sounds like a bash to me :rofl how is that a bash are you guys brain dead …how is that bashing stating that do to my previous experience i would never go back… ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/113 "2011-11-14T11:55:05Z")
> [@New Computer Set-up!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-computer-set-up/46595/16): > > hey kk id like you to keep your comments and your business to yourself and no need to make assumptions about what happened between me and synapse…with that being said find 1 post where i bashed synapse? > now the reason why i found out the cars motor was blown is when i broght the car to synapse with a boost issue they couldnt figure it out…so i did a boost leak test and found out where everything was leaking also checked the catch can and was full of e85 which led me to a compression test and results #1…180 #2 140 #3 140 #4 180 which also led me to do a leakdown test which showed #1 perfect #2 80% #3 45% #4 perfect and thats the reason why i said the car was blown…and got rid of it Pardon me, but did you miss the “All I want to say is this, and it doesnt point to anyone specific at all” I stated in that reply? I didnt make assumptions about anything. All i said was what I saw going on for 2 weeks now about the situation. Re-stating assumptions others made prior to… doesnt mean I agree or disagree with said assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![GermanPSI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/germanpsi/32/6353_2.png) [@GermanPSI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GermanPSI)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/114 "2011-11-14T11:55:46Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/45230/14): > > Sounds like a bash to me :rofl If he said their work sucks and customer service is terrible and they ripped me off then that would be bashing. Simply saying he would go back is not bashing at all. What if someone thinks synapse does amazing work but they just cant afford it, or they take too long and wont go there.(not the case here) But would that be bashing them? ---
**Author:** ![looksexyS2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/looksexys2000/32/6666_2.png) [@looksexyS2000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/looksexyS2000)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/115 "2011-11-14T11:57:02Z")
> [@OFFICIAL '07-'08 BUFFALO SABRES SEASON THREAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-07-08-buffalo-sabres-season-thread/36504/2847): > > Pardon me, but did you miss the “All I want to say is this, and it doesnt point to anyone specific at all” I stated in that reply? > > I didnt make assumptions about anything. All i said was what I saw going on for 2 weeks now about the situation. Re-stating assumptions others made prior to… doesnt mean I agree or disagree with said assumptions. no biggie is just that i dont wwnt my car to be an exanple cuz is just a bad example… ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/116 "2011-11-14T12:00:13Z")
> [@Feeler: OMG COMPUTER!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/feeler-omg-computer/46372/23): > > how is that a bash are you guys brain dead …how is that bashing stating that do to my previous experience i would never go back… are you calling logical thinking people “brain dead”??? When you go on ebay and give feed back “not gonna lie but i will never go back to (insert ebay seller id here) myself” do you check the Positive, neutral or negative radio button? LOL not gonna lie but i will never go back to synapse myself = NEG REP not gonna lie but i will always go back to synapse myself = POS REP > [@New Computer Set-up!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-computer-set-up/46595/17): > > +1 mike > if anyone one had any idea on what was involved in these builds they would know that **these cars werent built and tuned to the limit** …with that said **i understand building a 4cyl to make a 1000whp is a ticking time bomb** but still talking to other people like tony palo that setup is more than capable of more power > ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/117 "2011-11-14T12:03:30Z")
> [@Official Electronic Dance Music Thread.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-electronic-dance-music-thread/39971/108): > > If he said their work sucks and customer service is terrible and they ripped me off then that would be bashing. Simply saying he would go back is not bashing at all. What if someone thinks synapse does amazing work but they just cant afford it, or they take too long and wont go there.(not the case here) But would that be bashing them? Thats totally true… But look at it from a 3rd person. Joe bob browse’s shift for reviews on Shop A. Sees customer A’s car blew up and “I will never go back to them” later on in replies. Shop looks like poo. Thats why KK like to write books, better to give too much info than not enough leaving it up to ill-informed minds to base assumptions on! > [@Tech Tip: Servicing GM's 3800 V6 Engines](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tech-tip-servicing-gms-3800-v6-engines/46611/2): > > no biggie is just that i dont wwnt my car to be an exanple cuz is just a bad example… No doubt man, I never meant any harm towards you or them at all. just used your occurrence as an example of how hearsay from people out of the direct loop misconstrue the facts. ---
**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/118 "2011-11-14T12:05:05Z")
I won’t ever let another one of my friends go to Shop A after what I’ve seen in the past few years. But I’m glad Shop C is in the picture now to provide some competition so my friends do not get butt raped on costs and wait times. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Boost\_Creep](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boost_creep/32/6366_2.png) [@Boost\_Creep](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boost_Creep)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/119 "2011-11-14T12:05:26Z")
gonna turn into a shit fest, lock it up ---
**Author:** ![DeathbyRT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deathbyrt/32/6648_2.png) [@DeathbyRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeathbyRT)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-shop-ct-stay-away/261300/120 "2011-11-14T12:07:35Z")
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