# The Trump Presidency Discussion Thread (Non-Meme version) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 12, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441 "2016-12-12T13:42:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/341 "2017-02-03T11:12:49Z")
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**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/342 "2017-02-03T11:27:34Z")
> [@nermoria](#): > > What I find amazing is how people just join the unwarranted outcrys over every single thing he does without giving him a chance. I don’t see that happening in this thread. There is a lot of good discussion going on and most people are not showing nearly as much bias as you are. Try to come back down to a reasonable level with us. Let’s discuss the actual facts from reliable sources and view things from an objective standpoint. (For reliable sources, this does not include Trump’s mouth.) Overall, I’m impressed with the discussion in this thread. There is certainly still some projecting going on but the messages are still getting through. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/343 "2017-02-03T11:31:26Z")
Remember boys & girls (& any of the other 27 different genders I might be forgetting)… ![http://is2.4chan.org/pol/1420756844457.jpg](http://is2.4chan.org/pol/1420756844457.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![burnt\_toast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/burnt_toast/32/7518_2.png) [@burnt\_toast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/burnt_toast)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/344 "2017-02-03T11:36:39Z")
> [@nermoria](#): > > Toast, I believe there are many things that need to be done to revamp it. Heres the thing, Trump is basically doing that and he gets flak for it. Nobody ever said anything about a permanent ban on immigration. A 3 month freeze is not only reasonable but also smart especially when it’s only from 7 countries. > > Tell me this, say we had a government that agreed the whole system needed to be overhauled. The only way you could do it is if you halted the whole system completely for a time to implement new measures. It is what is happening now to a portion of the immigration system now. > > It’s like protesting and demanding that a store stay open while they are renovating and putting in new tech that will allow for faster buying process. Sure people arent items in a store , but nobody is goving Trump a chance just piling on with their own bullshit. If A democrat did the same thing, nobody would say a thing. We all know that. > > Edit: The hard life I’m talking about was in post Soviet Union Belarus. My concerns weren’t what people growing up here consider to be concerns. I’ve actually felt what it’s like to have a dictator in the country. Is that what Trump is basically doing? Okay, so in 90 days we should have a revamped system that is more efficient and effective at handling immigrants and refugees. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that this temporary ban actually has a reasonable and achievable end goal, though it seems to be more of a kneejerk reaction sourced from fear mongering and baseless opinions, especially with how crassly it was implemented. Maybe if Saudi Arabia had been included… I won’t pretend to even begin to understand the hardships you went through, as I have not experienced them. Just like how I will not try to understanding what the current refugees are going through. Intelligence, empathy, and understanding can actually all work together. ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/345 "2017-02-03T11:42:30Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Speaking of lies… Kellyanne Conway needs to be out of a job by Saturday morning. I’m not going to sit here arguing support for Trump while this dumb bitch just keeps vomiting BS all over cable news. … speaking of reasons people don’t want to give Trump a chance. The people he’s surrounded himself with don’t exactly lend themselves to the idea that this is some sort of logic or intellectually driven Presidency. > [@nermoria](#): > > The fact is that Obama did have a ban in place, and Trump has one now for legitimate reasons. What ban from Obama are you talking about here? ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/346 "2017-02-03T14:35:44Z")
> [@burnt\_toast](#): > > Is that what Trump is basically doing? Okay, so in 90 days we should have a revamped system that is more efficient and effective at handling immigrants and refugees. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that this temporary ban actually has a reasonable and achievable end goal, though it seems to be more of a kneejerk reaction sourced from fear mongering and baseless opinions, especially with how crassly it was implemented. Maybe if Saudi Arabia had been included… > > I won’t pretend to even begin to understand the hardships you went through, as I have not experienced them. Just like how I will not try to understanding what the current refugees are going through. Intelligence, empathy, and understanding can actually all work together. That’s why I worded that to not say that. Revamping a fraction of the system not the whole thing. The vetting process for a particular area of the world still falls under the whole immigration system. The USCIS has a system in place for every single country in the world, some being different from others. So if the system has branches A,B,C,D with subsets of branches, it is not unreasonable for him to to go in and suspend a branch of it to rework it. What he did went through the proper channels and was found to be legal and within parameters of the law by the DOJ. Just because the head decided to be political doesn’t make that a lie. So aside from Conway, who makes this presidency nonlogical or intellectually driven? So are you prepared to say that Obama was nothing but a far left extremist socialist? By surrounding himself with people like Mark Lloyd, Valerie Jarett, David Axelrod, Cecilia Munoz, Melody Barnes, Al Sharpton etc. are they beacons of logic and intellect? I’m not the biggest Trump fan, but most of his cabinet picks I agree with. When I said Obama ban I meant the 2011 suspension. Lets not forget, the recommendation for these actions are a layover from the Obama administration that he never acted on. The issue here is that Trump came in having promised to do something, and pulled the trigger on the recommendations before getting everything prepared 100% so the implementation goes smoothly. Still that doesn’t warrant the media going apeshit, calling what he is doing unlawful, reporting on it as if he is just signing executive orders without looking if it’s legal or not etc. We all know that most of this is just rhetoric and at the end of the day no matter what Trump does, the media will find and report the negatives. If he goes and starts giving out meals to homeless people in Chicago, they will say that there are many more homeless in NYC and he should be there instead. At the end of the day the issue for me is that I don’t trust NPR, CNN, BBC etc to give me straight facts, neither do I trust Breitbart or Fox. Everybody is pushing their propaganda and what I want to see is more of as Elon Musk said “Reading the source material is better than reading other people’s opinions about the source material” and essentially the majority of reporting today is not the source material but peoples interpretation of it. I started distrusting mainstream news like NPR etc. back when the Ukraine Russia conflict started. Their reporting on it was shit. I have family living there so I know a thing or two. Same as things like the idea that Putin is only in power because he rigs elections. He’s in power because the Russian people want him to be in power. Hearing political pundits trying to explain the situation all the time made me sick. If you do not understand the culture of a people, you have no reason reporting on it as if it’s fact or the way it is. Before you begin, say that the following is “My interpretation of the events”. Btw I think Alex Jones is a kook 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/347 "2017-02-03T15:43:14Z")
back to policy… today a few sketchy EO’s were signed. removing an EO to prevent mentally ill from owning guns and something about coal plants being able to dump waste water? i dont want to do any due diligence… but lets talk about it. Oh, and Iran is about to become much more of a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/348 "2017-02-03T17:00:22Z")
> [@bing](#): > > … removing an EO to prevent mentally ill from owning guns and something about coal plants being able to dump waste water? I can’t speak for the guns issue. But the Stream Protection Rule I know a bit about. And it wasn’t dumped by EO, but by congress. Firstly, saying the coal mines can now dump whatever waste into waterways is fake news. Congress has NOT done anything to repeal the Clean Water Act which is still the law and requires any discharge to be permitted. So if you’re dumping mining waste into a stream without first getting the government’s approval, you’re breaking the law. The issue with the Stream Protection Rule was that it built on the CWA and added some things that were arguably kill shots for some coal companies and didn’t take into account different geology in different states. Basically over-regulation, redundancy and a pinch of stupidity. Here’s a _Democrat_ talking shit about the Stream Protection Rule: [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/6/d/6da21bcf9817de8ed125595d48b9bf4e733d2130.jpeg "Heitkamp: Stream Protection Rule is Unworkable for North Dakota") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYr1_Sy5B38) ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/349 "2017-02-03T17:06:23Z")
Shout out to @JayS for letting me argue with random people on his FB today, I sincerely enjoyed a good debate with some liberal ladies. :tup: Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/350 "2017-02-03T17:17:17Z")
> [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > Shout out to @**[JayS](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=661)** for letting me argue with random people on his FB today, I sincerely enjoyed a good debate with some liberal ladies. :tup: oh man i need to get on this… beter if they’re cuter like @tpgsr’s friends ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/351 "2017-02-03T18:52:04Z")
what is up with this… again i dont feel like reading. can some of you smart people tell me what my opinion should be on this [http://www.npr.org/2017/02/02/513126985/house-votes-to-overturn-obama-rule-restricting-gun-sales-to-mentally-ill?utm\_source=facebook.com&utm\_medium=social&utm\_campaign=npr&utm\_term=nprnews&utm\_content=20170203](http://www.npr.org/2017/02/02/513126985/house-votes-to-overturn-obama-rule-restricting-gun-sales-to-mentally-ill?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170203) ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/352 "2017-02-03T19:51:10Z")
> [@bing](#): > > what is up with this… again i dont feel like reading. can some of you smart people tell me what my opinion should be on this > > [House Votes To Overturn Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill : NPR](http://www.npr.org/2017/02/02/513126985/house-votes-to-overturn-obama-rule-restricting-gun-sales-to-mentally-ill?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170203) HIPAA in full effect. The gov’t should have no interest in your health life… Scenario, your wife leaves you and takes the kids and the house… you’re barely making ends meet because of the child support/alimony… starts affecting your work…so you see your doctor…he say’s you’re depressed, and prescribes you a low dose anti depressant to lift you up a bit. Next thing you know, ATF is busting down your door and removing all your firearms from your possession. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/353 "2017-02-04T05:16:19Z")
> [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > Shout out to @**[JayS](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=661)** for letting me argue with random people on his FB today, I sincerely enjoyed a good debate with some liberal ladies. :tup: > > Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk :tup: Rose is awesome. Tracy however would import all of South America here if it was up to her. She didn’t appreciate when I called her out on the fact that the real reason she’s so anti wall is that she’s for allowing massive immigration and knows the wall will greatly slow the illegals that she’s done with looking the other way on because she thinks we should be letting them all in anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/354 "2017-02-04T06:09:17Z")
> [@snowracer101](#): > > … so you see your doctor…he say’s you’re depressed, and prescribes you a low dose anti depressant to lift you up a bit. > > Next thing you know, ATF is busting down your door and removing all your firearms from your possession. Hey look, more fake news: > Supporters of the rule argued it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms. > “The House charged ahead with an extreme, hastily written, one-sided measure that would make the American people less safe,” Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., said, according to The Hill. Esty represents Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20 6- and 7-year-olds and six adults. > **[House Votes To Overturn Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill](https://www.npr.org/2017/02/02/513126985/house-votes-to-overturn-obama-rule-restricting-gun-sales-to-mentally-ill?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170203)** > > The measure would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. (^^^ Bing’s link) The rule restricts gun sales to the mentally ill, BUT they use as an example (Sandy Hook) where a mentally ill person didn’t buy any guns, lol. Good job NPR! 👏 ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/355 "2017-02-04T09:17:30Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > Hey look, more fake news: > > [House Votes To Overturn Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill : NPR](http://www.npr.org/2017/02/02/513126985/house-votes-to-overturn-obama-rule-restricting-gun-sales-to-mentally-ill?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170203) > (^^^ Bing’s link) > > The rule restricts gun sales to the mentally ill, BUT they use as an example (Sandy Hook) where a mentally ill person didn’t buy any guns, lol. Good job NPR! 👏 They’re not saying in anyway it would have prevented Sandy Hook, they’re just saying she represents the district where it happened. How is that fake news? - - - Updated - - - > [@snowracer101](#): > > HIPAA in full effect. The gov’t should have no interest in your health life… > > Scenario, your wife leaves you and takes the kids and the house… you’re barely making ends meet because of the child support/alimony… > > starts affecting your work…so you see your doctor…he say’s you’re depressed, and prescribes you a low dose anti depressant to lift you up a bit. > > Next thing you know, ATF is busting down your door and removing all your firearms from your possession. The rule repeal was for a rule for background checks for Social Security recipients who are deemed mentally disabled to the point that they’re incapable of managing their own affairs (assigned a rep Payee , for example), It doesn’t even ultimately prevent them from getting a weapon, since they can apply for an exemption. Anyone affected would have been notified in advance, and given an opportunity to apply for an exemption. It has nothing to do with the situation you outlined. Here’s the actual text of the amendment. [https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/12/19/2016-30407/implementation-of-the-nics-improvement-amendments-act-of-2007](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/12/19/2016-30407/implementation-of-the-nics-improvement-amendments-act-of-2007) ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/356 "2017-02-04T09:27:58Z")
> [@superfan99](#): > > How is that fake news? . > [@superfan99](#): > > … they’re just saying she represents the district where it happened. Where “it” happened. The topic at hand (the “it”) is mentally ill people buying guns. “It” did NOT happen in her district. Here I’ll simplify further: > … Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill… > … it was designed to stop mentally ill persons from getting firearms… > … Newtown, Conn., where a mentally ill man shot and killed 20… They’re conflating the issues. Yes he was mentally ill, but this rule wouldn’t have prevented him from committing the act because he didn’t buy any guns. However it’s written in such a way that writer wants you to infer Newtown could have been prevented had this rule been in place. Not true. ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/357 "2017-02-04T10:14:17Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > . > > Where “it” happened. The topic at hand (the “it”) is mentally ill people buying guns. “It” did NOT happen in her district. > > Here I’ll simplify further: > > They’re conflating the issues. Yes he was mentally ill, but this rule wouldn’t have prevented him from committing the act because he didn’t buy any guns. However it’s written in such a way that writer wants you to infer Newtown could have been prevented had this rule been in place. Not true. I didn’t read the same implication as you did. I can see the implication if you ignore the other significant parts of the article, like the part where it actually explain what the purpose of the revoked rule was. “the measure being blocked from implementation would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of some beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. About 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs would have been affected.” It follows the Esty quote with a response from a republican, and from ACLU as a counterpoint, “This is a slap in the face for those in the disabled community because it paints all those who suffer from mental disorders with the same broad brush,” said Republican House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte, [as reported by USA Today](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/02/02/house-votes-strike-rule-banning-guns-some-deemed-mentally-impaired/97299756/). “It assumes that simply because an individual suffers from a mental condition, that individual is unfit to exercise his or her Second Amendment rights.” Point, and 2 counterpoints. I think you have a stronger point on the implication if they described Lanza as a “mentally ill social security recipient”, but I think the implication you get is more from a cursory interpretation and your own bias, than the full context of the report. There’s nothing factually inaccurate about the report. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/358 "2017-02-04T10:37:40Z")
I see your point but I’m not arguing the facts are wrong, simply that facts without proper context are useless. Newtown in the context of this rule doesn’t fit. I’d like the article more if they noted an example where this rule would have actually prevented a mass shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/359 "2017-02-04T10:42:05Z")
> [@snowracer101](#): > > HIPAA in full effect. The gov’t should have no interest in your health life… We disagree here. Not sure I want to side track the topic right now, though. > [@snowracer101](#): > > Scenario, your wife leaves you and takes the kids and the house… you’re barely making ends meet because of the child support/alimony… > > starts affecting your work…so you see your doctor…he say’s you’re depressed, and prescribes you a low dose anti depressant to lift you up a bit. > > Next thing you know, ATF is busting down your door and removing all your firearms from your possession. That’s a bit tin foil hat-ish but I see your point. How about instead of talking about how you think the government is over-reaching, we discuss alternative methods to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. No more of this ‘OBAMA GON’ TAKE MAH GUNS’ shit. Like it or not, there’s an ACTUAL problem happening in the US. - - - Updated - - - > [@Onyx Z32](#): > > I see your point but I’m not arguing the facts are wrong, simply that facts without proper context are useless. Newtown in the context of this rule doesn’t fit. > > I’d like the article more if they noted an example where this rule would have actually prevented a mass shooting. That doesn’t make it fake news. Misleading, yes. Fake, no. There are fact based implications. I read what you’re reading and I’m surprised to see it from NPR. But the constant cry of everything being fake news because it doesn’t fit Donnie’s narrative is a bit tiring. 🎻 \<- but with a smaller violin for The Don’s hands. ---
**Author:** ![Wahoo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wahoo/32/8265_2.png) [@Wahoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wahoo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/360 "2017-02-04T13:05:13Z")
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