# The Trump Presidency Discussion Thread (Non-Meme version) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 12, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441 "2016-12-12T13:42:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/41 "2016-12-13T11:47:12Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > you’re saying that you don’t think the RNC did everything they could to avoid Trump? Not to the level the DNC did for sure. Ignoring the all the email stuff that was leaked the simple fact that the DNC setup their superdelegate system after Carter and McGovern to make sure the establishment could always put their thumb on the scale in the primary. Maybe they would have pulled some Donna Brazile level shit if the the media had the RNC’s back the way they had the DNC’s back though. I wouldn’t put it past them if they had the option. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/42 "2016-12-13T11:50:57Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > You laugh, but if the RNC ran the same corrupt campaign during the primary as the DNC did either Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio would have been our nominee. That corruption by the DNC is exactly what got exposed in the hacked emails. I am certainly not disputing the corruptness of the DNC. They have their party set up in a way that ALLOWED them to be corrupt during the primaries. But republicans calling democrats corrupt… c’mon man. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/43 "2016-12-13T12:00:12Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > I am certainly not disputing the corruptness of the DNC. They have their party set up in a way that ALLOWED them to be corrupt during the primaries. But republicans calling democrats corrupt… c’mon man. You honestly think the RNC is more corrupt than the DNC? Power corrupts, and there is no greater power than having the media on your side. I don’t want to turn this into a meme thread, but have you seen this? ^ That is by far the most on point thing I’ve seen regarding this entire election. Trump won because he knew how much the media was backing the left so he bypassed them entirely. It’s a powerful image and will likely end up in a history book 50 years from now. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/44 "2016-12-13T12:05:06Z")
politics in general is subject to corruption. corruption is subjective as well. the US, and Canada, are still among the more transparent democracies right now and at least we get to see some of the corruption and are free to discuss it. honestly, while some of the things (like leaking debate questions) show some sort of corruption… it’s still pretty innocuous. it’s just the tip of the iceberg. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/45 "2016-12-13T12:14:09Z")
This whole thing has been funny everyone is an expert on hacking, hacking voting machines, attribution and Russia lately. ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/46 "2016-12-13T12:17:58Z")
Edit: page left open on phone too long. Disregard. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/47 "2016-12-13T12:19:19Z")
> [@bing](#): > > honestly, while some of the things (like leaking debate questions) show some sort of corruption… it’s still pretty innocuous. it’s just the tip of the iceberg. I don’t want to go all BED, but who was it again that leaked the questions? That’s right, Donna Brazile. The same Donna Brazile who stepped in to chair the DNC after Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz got busted. The same Debbie that chaired Hillary’s 2008 campaign. How did Debbie get the job at the DNC? That’s right, Tim Kaine stepped down and Debbie got the job. Yeah, that same Tim Kaine that came out of nowhere at Clinton’s VP pick. But yeah, the RNC is just as corrupt. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/48 "2016-12-13T12:26:18Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I don’t want to go all BED, but who was it again that leaked the questions? That’s right, Donna Brazile. The same Donna Brazile who stepped in to chair the DNC after Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz got busted. The same Debbie that chaired Hillary’s 2008 campaign. How did Debbie get the job at the DNC? That’s right, Tim Kaine stepped down and Debbie got the job. Yeah, that same Tim Kaine that came out of nowhere at Clinton’s VP pick. > > But yeah, the RNC is just as corrupt. :rolleyes: ![http://www.nyspeed.com/pictures/ohdonna.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/e/e/ee66375c9d4a9b144cc5a6cb68bffc27d21868ef.jpeg) :io: ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/49 "2016-12-13T12:32:59Z")
this is not the meme thread 🙂 or maybe there are enough memes to sustain two threads? ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/50 "2016-12-13T12:58:28Z")
> [@bing](#): > > this is not the meme thread 🙂 Yeah, I was hoping for actual sustained discussion. > [@JayS](#): > > You honestly think the RNC is more corrupt than the DNC? Power corrupts, and there is no greater power than having the media on your side. There’s this: > [@bing](#): > > politics in general is subject to corruption. corruption is subjective as well. Also, I never said that one was more corrupt than the other. I honestly don’t think you can put a measure on something like that. The politicians who are the best at being corrupt are the ones you don’t know are corrupt. It’s more of a don’t throw rocks from a glass house situation. You can pick as many scandals from this election that you feel like but I’m not sure why you think it’s safe to only throw up the stories about the left just because you happen to support the right. People do this and then bash liberals for being biased. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/51 "2016-12-13T13:15:48Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > ^ That is by far the most on point thing I’ve seen regarding this entire election. Trump won because he knew how much the media was backing the left so he bypassed them entirely. It’s a powerful image and will likely end up in a history book 50 years from now. the source piece i use to try and explain this is here: [Steve Bannon Trump Tower Interview: Trump’s Strategist Plots “New Political Movement” – The Hollywood Reporter](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-bannon-trump-tower-interview-trumps-strategist-plots-new-political-movement-948747) > [@TrumpGod'sChiefStrategist](#): > > When Bannon took over the campaign from Paul Manafort, there were many in the Trump circle who had resigned themselves to the inevitability of the candidate listening to no one. But here too was a Bannon insight: When the campaign seemed most in free fall or disarray, it was perhaps most on target. > > While Clinton was largely absent from the campaign trail and concentrating on courting her donors, Trump — even after the leak of the grab-them-by-the-pussy audio — was speaking to **ever-growing crowds of 35,000 or 40,000**. “He gets it; he gets it intuitively,” says Bannon, perhaps still surprised he has found such an ideal vessel. > > “You have probably the greatest orator since William Jennings Bryan, coupled with an economic populist message and two political parties that are so owned by the donors that they don’t speak to their audience. But he speaks in a non-political vernacular, he communicates with these people in a very visceral way. Nobody in the Democratic party listened to his speeches, so they had no idea he was delivering such a compelling and powerful economic message. **He shows up 3.5 hours late in Michigan at 1 in the morning and has 35,000** people waiting in the cold. When they got [Clinton] off the donor circuit she went to **Temple University and they drew 300 or 400 kids**.” ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/52 "2016-12-13T17:39:59Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > … You can pick as many scandals from this election that you feel like but I’m not sure why you think it’s safe to only throw up the stories about the left… I have a meme for this but I’ll hold back 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/53 "2016-12-13T19:59:45Z")
I think a single meme per post limit would be acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/54 "2016-12-14T07:27:55Z")
Nah I’ll keep it all to one thread. Got some more good Kanye ones I need to post. It’s not that I mind discussion, it’s just that a thread like this won’t change anyone’s mind. If you want honest discussion the first person you need to “talk” with is yourself. Start out by changing your assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/55 "2016-12-14T07:43:58Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > It’s not that I mind discussion, it’s just that a thread like this won’t change anyone’s mind. If you want honest discussion the first person you need to “talk” with is yourself. Start out by changing your assumptions. Indeed. I think you’ll find that I try to argue both sides. It just so happens that there is more Trump support on this site than anything else so I probably come off as more liberal than I actually am. For this thread, I was trying to focus discussion on the CURRENT state of affairs that matter instead of looking back at Clinton, etc. We should all stop trying to argue for something by arguing against something else. That’s not real analysis. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/56 "2016-12-14T07:53:03Z")
> **[Bill Gates says Trump has the opportunity to be like JFK](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/after-talking-with-trump-bill-gates-likens-president-elect-to-jfk.html)** > > President-elect Donald Trump has an opportunity to establish "American leadership through innovation," Bill Gates tells CNBC. he’s the piece on bill gate’s comments on trump… nothing negative… unlike Mr. Branson. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/57 "2016-12-14T08:06:04Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > This whole thing has been funny everyone is an expert on hacking, hacking voting machines, attribution and Russia lately. Yea before I was shocked with how many gun experts I knew. Now I am shocked with how many security and intrusion analysis experts I know. If Obama doesn’t provide evidence of their claims, it will be another failure to end his “legacy”. They are looking like idiots and this is just getting worse and worse expecting people to blindly trust the CIA on unfounded claims. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/58 "2016-12-14T08:39:16Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > Indeed. I think you’ll find that I try to argue both sides. It just so happens that there is more Trump support on this site than anything else so I probably come off as more liberal than I actually am. > > For this thread, I was trying to focus discussion on the CURRENT state of affairs that matter instead of looking back at Clinton, etc. We should all stop trying to argue for something by arguing against something else. That’s not real analysis. That’s only possible if there is actual news here to talk about, and there isn’t. It’s a bunch of non-sense being blown out of proportion by one side. The only way you can talk about it is to point out how it’s nothing new and show examples of how the very people crying about it have been doing the same thing for years. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/59 "2016-12-14T09:03:52Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > … I probably come off as more liberal than I actually am. And I probably come off more “Conservative” than I am. People just care about different things. So if you try to have a discussion about something _you_ care about, but IDGAF we’re just going to talk in circles or not talk at all. For example, someone on the left might think it’s _“literally the start of the 4th Reich”_ that Trump is picking generals for cabinet positions. I don’t care if he picks generals, CEOs or Pepe the frog as long as they do the job well _by my metrics_ not by yours. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/60 "2016-12-14T09:49:03Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > For example, someone on the left might think it’s _“literally the start of the 4th Reich”_ that Trump is picking generals for cabinet positions. I don’t care if he picks generals, CEOs or Pepe the frog as long as they do the job well _by my metrics_ not by yours. To be fair, the people you’re referring to probably don’t have metrics aside from how they feel about it. (These people exist on the right, too.) I have a hard time talking to far leftists and they end up thinking I’m a right wing nut. I didn’t vote for Trump but once the election was over I immediately just wanted to stay up to date with his progress and truly want him to do a good job with this. Same for his appointees. But there IS notable news happening. As a recent example the announcement of Tillerson being Secretary of State. Sure, he may have relevant experience for a global position but it’s hard to ignore the massive conflict of interest when major oil contracts are on the line if sanctions with Russia are lifted. You should be happy that the candidate you supported won but treat them with the same scrutiny you did Hillary, Bernie, Obama, etc. That simply does not happen. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441.md?page=4)