# The Trump Presidency Discussion Thread (Non-Meme version) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 12, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441 "2016-12-12T13:42:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/901 "2017-06-08T09:47:34Z")
What about firing Comey after telling him and others how good of a job he was doing? It’s almost impossible to prove intent in that case but it would certainly be an attempt at obstruction of justice. ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/902 "2017-06-08T09:53:04Z")
Trump colluded with Russia but told Comey if there’s anything going on with anybody around him, it should come out? Huh? Obstruction of justice? Lol ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/903 "2017-06-08T09:53:54Z")
I’m honestly just asking questions… ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/904 "2017-06-08T09:54:07Z")
Like I said nothing will come from this because you’re arguing conjecture and how someone interprets a comment… It’s a giant waste of time and effort all the way around…If he said “Drop the case or you’re fired” cool run with that but they have nothing worth while at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/905 "2017-06-08T09:56:57Z")
Right, I agree with that. Unless something is wildly different in the closed hearing this is just spinning up the public. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/906 "2017-06-08T09:57:56Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > …If he said “Drop the case or you’re fired” cool run with that… Except from the sounds of what Alan Dershowitz said, who knows more about constitutional law than all of NYSpeed combined, even that’s not illegal. So yeah, this is definitely a big waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Clean\_Baldy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/clean_baldy/32/7308_2.png) [@Clean\_Baldy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Clean_Baldy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/907 "2017-06-08T10:00:27Z")
I watched it and his opening answers about his firing were quite telling. He made it clear that he was always under the impression that as the FBI Director, he could be fired for any reason at any time. He also made it clear that the way the fired him sucked for him personally, as he saw several different reasons for the firing. I sure wouldn’t be happy if I was told I was doing a great job over and over, only to be let go and then hear 3 or 4 different reasons why I was fired. Hell, Directory Comey also said he had no idea who actually made the recommendation, or why… Watching that whole thing, Comey seems like a very stand-up guy. Straight forward. Hopefully he lands on his feet… ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/908 "2017-06-08T10:05:08Z")
Personally I dont get what the big deal is. Every President lies and has lied, practically every politician lies on multiple occasion, what’s the big deal aside from this being a “liar” against the interest of the establishment? On multiple occasions it was said that president Trump did not pursue the Flynn situation etc as somebody who wants something to go away because it would show collusion with Russia or some criminal act. If anything this hearing has proven one thing, President Trump wants all this to go away so he can implement the agenda he campaigned on, something Comey said himself. Also that Trump can be an ass (the way of the firing) but did we know it to be any different? Who ever said this President is the nice cuddly uncle you want to spend time with your kid? I come from a country where the president is basically a dictator and imprisons the opposition, maybe that’s why to me this is all just nonsense detracting from real issues at hand. Edit: Something Dershowitz said is interesting, about the fact that the person who has the authority to give out pardons cannot “obstruct justice” ie fall under criminal act ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/909 "2017-06-08T10:31:41Z")
LOL… Comey is still taking every opportunity to shit on Hillary too. > **[Comey says Lynch tarmac meeting, directive to downplay probe prompted him to...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey-says-lynch-tarmac-meeting-directive-to-downplay-probe-prompted-him-to-go-rogue-on-clinton-case)** > > Former FBI Director James Comey revealed in Senate testimony Thursday that then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch directed him to describe the Hillary Clinton email probe as a "matter" and not an "investigation." > Former FBI Director James Comey revealed in Senate testimony Thursday that then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch directed him to describe the Hillary Clinton email probe as a “matter” and not an “investigation.” > He also said that the directive, combined with Lynch’s unusual Arizona tarmac meeting with former President Bill Clinton, led him to make his independent announcement regarding the Clinton email probe last July. Also, Wall Street has already figured out the Comey thing is all smoke and no fire. > **[Dow hits record high in the midst of Comey hearing](https://money.cnn.com/2017/06/08/investing/wall-street-stock-market-comey-hearing-trump/index.html)** > > Wall Street doesn't seem worried at all about FBI director James Comey's hearing in Congress. The Dow, after initially trading sideways, jumped to a new all-time high Thursday afternoon towards the end of the highly-anticipated testimony. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/910 "2017-06-08T11:53:44Z")
> [@Clean Baldy](#): > > Watching that whole thing, Comey seems like a very stand-up guy. Straight forward. Hopefully he lands on his feet… Well, right up until he got to the part about “I gave my memos to a friend so he could leak them to the media”. At that point he went from “stand up guy” to “why the fuck are we listening to anything this asshole has to say”. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/911 "2017-06-08T12:52:45Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > … firing Comey after telling him and others how good of a job he was doing… would certainly be an attempt at obstruction of justice. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/8/c/8c83a1e10f4124d04943d93f208b3556eb3cb574.jpeg "Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz: There Was No Obstruction Of Justice") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkp_Bmab07w) He’s a Democrat too. Video from the meme thread. … But muh [#resist](http://www.nyspeed.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=resist) though. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/912 "2017-06-08T13:28:06Z")
Hopefully we can go back to talking about China hacking stuff instead of Russia… > **[China hacked the FDIC - and US officials covered it up, report says](http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/13/technology/china-fdic-hack/index.html)** > > The FDIC got hacked by Chinese spies, then US officials tried to cover it up. That's according to a Congressional report that was released this week. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6\_story.html?utm\_term=.2a02fff3c20f](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html?utm_term=.2a02fff3c20f) :lol: It’s funny they brought up the fact the FBI never did incident response/forensics on the DNC servers and used only third party analysis to blame Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/913 "2017-06-08T15:06:31Z")
Even Chris Matthews realizing the Russia story is now over: ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/914 "2017-06-08T23:32:23Z")
and if you were to read any posts on Reddit, you’d think Trump is getting impeached, tried for treason, and Bernie is stepping in as President. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/915 "2017-06-09T08:38:12Z")
In order to prosecute a sitting President, you would need a slam-dunk homerun case with clear-as-day evidence. That doesn’t exist. So the conversation is over. It was a dick move by pres, he’s an idiot and doesn’t understand government/politics at all. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/916 "2017-06-09T08:46:30Z")
I don’t think they’ll be able to hang Trump with obstruction of Justice, but it’s pretty clear that’s what Trump was trying to do. Trump’s team is going full force to discredit Comey but all I can see this doing to changing the subject at best, we all know what was going on. Here is a good article with a lot of viewpoints that I was reading earlier. [http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/08/james-comey-trump-russia-hearing-reaction-analysis-legal-experts-215239](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/08/james-comey-trump-russia-hearing-reaction-analysis-legal-experts-215239) ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/917 "2017-06-09T12:21:43Z")
If Trump was trying to shut it down, Im fine with that. He has the constitutional authority to do so. He could have said “Comey, as of this moment, you will drop the investigation.” and Comey would have to comply. Before anybody says it, it would not be an impeachable offense. The only offense is to the people who are trying to stall any implementation of Trumps agenda. Actually I think he is being too soft. He should go at it much harder to do what he wants to do. If the Dems are left in smoke and ashes at the end, even better. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/918 "2017-06-12T06:15:56Z")
There you go > **[U.S. Cyberweapons, Used Against Iran and North Korea, Are a Disappointment...](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/12/world/middleeast/isis-cyber.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0&referer=)** > > The Islamic State’s internet use has proved a more elusive target than missile systems or centrifuges, American officials say. > Even one of the rare successes against the Islamic State belongs at least in part to Israel, which was America’s partner in the attacks against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Top Israeli cyberoperators penetrated a small cell of extremist bombmakers in Syria months ago, the officials said. That was how the United States learned that the terrorist group was working to make explosives that fooled airport X-ray machines and other screening by looking exactly like batteries for laptop computers. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/919 "2017-06-12T17:26:08Z")
if there was no collusion with Russia (which there probably wasn’t) then shutting down the investigation (which didn’t happen) wouldn’t have been obstruction anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/920 "2017-06-13T03:41:26Z")
> [@bing](#): > > if there was no collision with Russia (which there probably wasn’t) then shutting down the investigation (which didn’t happen) wouldn’t have been obstruction anyways. Pretty sure that doesn’t make sense… - - - Updated - - - > [@nermoria](#): > > If Trump was trying to shut it down, Im fine with that. Mmmhmm. I’m sure if a dem was in office you would have been cool with it then as well. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441.md?page=45) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441.md?page=47)