# The Trump Presidency Discussion Thread (Non-Meme version) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 12, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441 "2016-12-12T13:42:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1281 "2017-08-25T12:13:08Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Because the US has immigration laws? Trump has tried cracking down on cities NOT following the law and people are pissed :lol: Local police departments don’t have jurisdiction on immigration law, and have no legal obligation to enforce immigration law. They can only really hold someone on a criminal violation. In the end, the federal government is trying to push immigration enforcement on local PD’s. Not that I suspect it really matters to most trump humpers, but there’s a whole host of reason why local pd’s don’t want to be involved in immigration enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1282 "2017-08-25T18:01:50Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > Same. It’s important no matter how you slice it. I truly believe that with a more involved population we would avoid a lot of the problems we end up with. People are just complacent. it depends on the values that the people who get involved have. if it were me and people like then you might perceive the resulting policy as problematic, if it were only people like you, i would take issue. As is the case in Canada it seems. - - - Updated - - - jsut checked the news. trump pardons Arpieo and sends memo to Pentagon re: trans ban. normally i wouldnt care much for these calls but given the political climate i am cheering this dude on. such a badass ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1283 "2017-08-26T01:25:39Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > He basically said they are going to follow the laws they have in place already. Not sure why that quote is controversial. What am I missing? I should have used sarcasm font… Trump was criticized for his stance on ILLEGAL immigration, he said “we’re going to enforce the laws on the books” … but when Trudeau says it…it’s all fine and dandy. - - - Updated - - - > [@bing](#): > > i honestly think about this stuff a lot. never used to care about politics but right now i really do because of how much it affects me/us. > > This just came out on the front of Canadian business news yesterday: [http://www.bnn.ca/taxes-surpass-housing-as-biggest-expense-for-canadians-study-finds-1.838051](http://www.bnn.ca/taxes-surpass-housing-as-biggest-expense-for-canadians-study-finds-1.838051) > > Canadians now pay more in taxes every year than we spend on living. > > and the Liberals are trying to make serious changes to the tax code to go after doctors, lawyers and other upper middle earners… and the carbon tax. > > so our taxes continue to increase but the services that tax payers get continue to be diluted. not cool. > > every day my desire to move to the US increases. Dude, it’s SOOOOO comical when people compare the US to Canada… like Canada is some gleaming beacon of hope. I hear shit like “I broke my arm in Canada, and it cost me $100, I break my arm in the US and it costs $10,000”… well, it doesn’t if you have health insurance, which people are too cheap to purchase… Literally EVERYTHING in Canada is more expensive. If Canada is so great, why is the Bellingham,WA Costco parking lot nearly full of Canadian vehicles? Canada, they have great people, and amazing geographic features…but the people in the US who claim Canada is so much better to live in, obviously have never lived there. Granted, the US is heading that direction, shit, my Federal Income tax liability is my single greatest expense, year after year (including higher than my mortgage). I’m considered middle class income! I added up my total taxes paid in a year, including every tax levied against us (Fed income tax, property tax, excise taxes, sales taxes etc.), and it was nearly 50% of my gross income. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1284 "2017-08-27T19:21:27Z")
some good CDN dudes shared this on my FB today: > **[I Love My Freedom Store](https://www.ilovemyfreedom.com/)** > > Apparel for Americans who are blessed to live in freedom and grateful to worship in peace. not a super reliable source but maybe you guys can validate: > When President Trump was inaugurated on January 20, 2017 the amount of US Federal Debt owed both externally and internally was over $19 Trillion at $19,947,304,555,212. As of August 17th the amount of US Debt had decreased by more than $100 Billion to $19,845,188,460,167. > No President in US history has ever cut the amount of US Debt by this amount and no President has resided over a debt cut like this ever. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1285 "2017-08-28T17:10:21Z")
> **[First on CNN: Tillerson moves to nix special envoys](https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/tillerson-state-dept-envoys/index.html)** > > Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is moving to eliminate special envoy positions at the State Department, including the representative for climate change. more cuts planed by integrating or ending as many as a dozen special envoys. ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1286 "2017-08-29T04:59:48Z")
:crickets: from the bashers. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1287 "2017-08-29T06:38:29Z")
> [@snowracer101](#): > > it doesn’t if you have health insurance, which people are too cheap to purchase… You don’t actually think this is the problem, do you? @**[bing](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=174)** - That’s pretty cool if true. I’m looking for some good sources, though. What has this administration done to cut that much debt? What caused the decrease? I’m a little skeptical of a site that has a pop up for alerts from the ‘President Donald Trump Fan Club’. :lol: @**[joelster](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=293)** - Sorry I’m late. Thank you for detailed insight on the matter.:thumleft: ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1288 "2017-08-29T17:18:28Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > You don’t actually think this is the problem, do you? > > @**[bing](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=174)** - That’s pretty cool if true. **I’m looking for some good sources, though.** What has this administration done to cut that much debt? What caused the decrease? I’m a little skeptical of a site that has a pop up for alerts from the ‘President Donald Trump Fan Club’. :lol: > > @**[joelster](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=293)** - Sorry I’m late. Thank you for detailed insight on the matter.:thumleft: Good sources? You mean your liberal sources haven’t reported on it so you don’t believe it to be true? You really expect to see it on CNN? ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1289 "2017-08-29T19:11:55Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > You don’t actually think this is the problem, do you? > > @**[bing](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=174)** - That’s pretty cool if true. I’m looking for some good sources, though. What has this administration done to cut that much debt? What caused the decrease? I’m a little skeptical of a site that has a pop up for alerts from the ‘President Donald Trump Fan Club’. :lol: > > @**[joelster](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=293)** - Sorry I’m late. Thank you for detailed insight on the matter.:thumleft: the average health insurance premiums are ~$320/month. This is also tax deductible for any amount over 10% of your AGI. So, NO, I do not believe it is a problem, $320/month is a very small price to pay for the benefits you get of health insurance. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1290 "2017-08-30T05:49:15Z")
@**[joelster](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=293)** - Fox News doesn’t have anything on it. Want to check Breitbart for me? The decrease in debt is obviously real, just trying to see what actually caused it. @**[snowracer101](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=307)** - That’s the average for **individual health insurance.** Average family insurance in 2016 was [$833 per month](https://resources.ehealthinsurance.com/affordable-care-act/much-obamacare-cost-2017). And that plan isn’t going to cover everything, will have deductibles, etc. Guys like you and I are very fortunate. We have good jobs, good benefits, financial stability, and are only truly responsible for our own mouths to feed. I can speak from personal experience that when those 4 things aren’t true, even $323/month is a huge blow. This happened to my father while I was growing up with my older brother and younger sister. He was laid off from GM and had to take a much lower paying machinist position and drove cabs at night to get by. My brother and I ate canned pasta every day for years. This happened in Canada, so luckily we all still had health care. I hope you can understand that even the average cost is still a shit load of money for a lot of people, and they simply can’t afford it and still put food on the table. It’s not a matter of just ‘[not buying that new iPhone](http://thehill.com/homenews/house/322664-chaffetz-americans-may-need-to-choose-between-buying-new-iphone-or-healthcare)’. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1291 "2017-08-30T05:54:49Z")
Any plan with $320/month premiums will also have deductibles in the thousands. $320 \*12 = $3840 Then tag the $5k deductible on top of that, and you’re at $8,840 for coverage on the year. That’s not insignificant. EDIT: from Paulo’s link. $833/month with an $8k deductible. That’s $18,000/year for health insurance. Even if you make $100k/year as a family (which is considered to be solidly middle-class in most cities), that’s 1/5th of your money spent on health care. That pretty much crushes young families. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1292 "2017-08-30T07:01:18Z")
Why do people always add in the deductibles the vast majority of people are not maxing out their health care every year. Random surgeries/ER visits/other shit I don’t think my family plan has ever hit max out of pocket. ---
**Author:** ![lorge1989](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lorge1989/32/6153_2.png) [@lorge1989](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lorge1989)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1293 "2017-08-30T07:34:47Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > Any plan with $320/month premiums will also have deductibles in the thousands. > > $320 \*12 = $3840 > > Then tag the $5k deductible on top of that, and you’re at $8,840 for coverage on the year. That’s not insignificant. > > EDIT: from Paulo’s link. $833/month with an $8k deductible. That’s $18,000/year for health insurance. Even if you make $100k/year as a family (which is considered to be solidly middle-class in most cities), that’s 1/5th of your money spent on health care. That pretty much crushes young families. This is a poor comparision. A family bringing in 100K a year with two kids, living within their means can do just fine, even paying for healthcare out of pocket. Likely scenario, if bringing in 100k, somone will get some benifits from work. That would cut costs significantly. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1294 "2017-08-30T10:19:35Z")
> [@lorge1989](#): > > This is a poor comparision. A family bringing in 100K a year with two kids, living within their means can do just fine, even paying for healthcare out of pocket. Likely scenario, if bringing in 100k, somone will get some benifits from work. That would cut costs significantly. 1 - If you’re self-employed, you don’t get employer benefits. Which DIRECTLY hurts small business owners and people that work from small businesses. 2 - “Do just fine”. Ahh yes, the American dream. To work hard every day and “do just fine”. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1295 "2017-08-30T10:25:03Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > 1 - If you’re self-employed, you don’t get employer benefits. Which DIRECTLY hurts small business owners and people that work from small businesses. > > 2 - “Do just fine”. Ahh yes, the American dream. To work hard every day and “do just fine”. If you’re self employed and only make 100k you’re doing it wrong anyways. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1296 "2017-08-30T11:01:33Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > If you’re self employed and only make 100k you’re doing it wrong anyways. ha, yeah But actually, it doesn’t matter. The numbers that Paulo posted are AVERAGE. If you make a lot of money, you probably pay way more than what Paulo posted. Especially if you’re older. I’ve seen it second hand, I know of several families that are in this position. They don’t have employer plans and are paying healthcare premiums and deductibles that are insanely high. Note, it’s particularly worse in states (like North Carolina) where Governors refused the short-sighted federal Medicare expansion money. If we could get more high-risk/low-income people onto medicare, then high-income earners wouldn’t be subsidizing AS MANY low-income people in the private market. BUT, NC doesn’t have the money to continue with that program once the federal money dries up, as the federal money was only given out for a short time. The last point I’ll make on this topic is this; really at the end of the day, the middle-class is the life-blood of the economy. High-income earners can absorb healthcare cost increases without much trouble. Low-income earners get theirs subsidized, so they don’t pay much. Middle-class families are burdened the most, and that’s not right. ---
**Author:** ![lorge1989](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lorge1989/32/6153_2.png) [@lorge1989](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lorge1989)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1297 "2017-08-30T12:46:27Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > 1 - If you’re self-employed, you don’t get employer benefits. Which DIRECTLY hurts small business owners and people that work from small businesses. > > 2 - “Do just fine”. Ahh yes, the American dream. To work hard every day and “do just fine”. The american dream lately is buy everything on credit, lease a car for $500 a month, then wonder why you can never retire. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1298 "2017-08-30T13:29:10Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > The last point I’ll make on this topic is this; really at the end of the day, the middle-class is the life-blood of the economy. High-income earners can absorb healthcare cost increases without much trouble. Low-income earners get theirs subsidized, so they don’t pay much. Middle-class families are burdened the most, and that’s not right. It’s really nice if you ever add up the tax you pay across the board federal/state/property/etc. One of Trumps agenda items was to effectively lower middle class tax rates which would have been nice. People complain about middle class but the standard of living also increased there was a time people didn’t have two cars, cell phones for everyone, TV in every room, etc. ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1299 "2017-08-30T21:12:44Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > @**[joelster](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=293)** - Fox News doesn’t have anything on it. Want to check Breitbart for me? The decrease in debt is obviously real, just trying to see what actually caused it. > > @**[snowracer101](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=307)** - That’s the average for **individual health insurance.** Average family insurance in 2016 was [$833 per month](https://resources.ehealthinsurance.com/affordable-care-act/much-obamacare-cost-2017). And that plan isn’t going to cover everything, will have deductibles, etc. > > Guys like you and I are very fortunate. We have good jobs, good benefits, financial stability, and are only truly responsible for our own mouths to feed. I can speak from personal experience that when those 4 things aren’t true, even $323/month is a huge blow. This happened to my father while I was growing up with my older brother and younger sister. He was laid off from GM and had to take a much lower paying machinist position and drove cabs at night to get by. My brother and I ate canned pasta every day for years. This happened in Canada, so luckily we all still had health care. > > I hope you can understand that even the average cost is still a shit load of money for a lot of people, and they simply can’t afford it and still put food on the table. It’s not a matter of just ‘[not buying that new iPhone](http://thehill.com/homenews/house/322664-chaffetz-americans-may-need-to-choose-between-buying-new-iphone-or-healthcare)’. If that family can’t afford $833 per month to ensure their health is taken care of, why are they having kids in the first place? I understand people get laid off, but that is why we pay unemployment taxes every paycheck. What bothers me is people who decide to have kids when they obviously cannot afford to provide for their children…so instead they focus on fucking everyone else. I worked hard to get where I am today, and I continue to work hard, so that if I need to see a doctor for a sports injury or something, I don’t have to wait three months. Health insurance is so expensive because there are many people who abuse it, they go visit the doctor for every little pain they have. Imagine if you took your car into the shop for every little squeak it made? Are you suggesting a single payer type healthcare? I’ve heard AMAZING things about Canada’s healthcare system. My buddy broke his leg wake boarding, it took him a couple days to finally see a doctor to get it set, by then, he started getting compartment syndrome and almost lost his leg. Another friend of mine, his wife was pregnant, she started having very bad pains in her stomach. Went to see the doctor (after waiting a very long time), and he wrote it off as stomach cramps… I forgot what the problem was but it had to do with the child, and because the doctor misdiagnosed her, she almost died, and there was major complications with the birth. I’ve heard NUMEROUS stories of people in Canada coming to the US for sports related surgeries. The United States has some of the best doctors and medical research companies, in the world. I really don’t want a single payer type program, fucking that all up. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1300 "2017-08-31T05:26:51Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > It’s really nice if you ever add up the tax you pay across the board federal/state/property/etc. One of Trumps agenda items was to effectively lower middle class tax rates which would have been nice. > > **People complain about middle class but the standard of living also increased there was a time people didn’t have two cars, cell phones for everyone, TV in every room, etc.** I couldn’t agree more. And people want it ALL at 20 years old, right out of college. - - - Updated - - - > [@snowracer101](#): > > If that family can’t afford $833 per month to ensure their health is taken care of, why are they having kids in the first place? I understand people get laid off, but that is why we pay unemployment taxes every paycheck. What bothers me is people who decide to have kids when they obviously cannot afford to provide for their children…so instead they focus on fucking everyone else. I worked hard to get where I am today, and I continue to work hard, so that if I need to see a doctor for a sports injury or something, I don’t have to wait three months. Health insurance is so expensive because there are many people who abuse it, they go visit the doctor for every little pain they have. Imagine if you took your car into the shop for every little squeak it made? > > Are you suggesting a single payer type healthcare? I’ve heard AMAZING things about Canada’s healthcare system. My buddy broke his leg wake boarding, it took him a couple days to finally see a doctor to get it set, by then, he started getting compartment syndrome and almost lost his leg. > > Another friend of mine, his wife was pregnant, she started having very bad pains in her stomach. Went to see the doctor (after waiting a very long time), and he wrote it off as stomach cramps… I forgot what the problem was but it had to do with the child, and because the doctor misdiagnosed her, she almost died, and there was major complications with the birth. > > I’ve heard NUMEROUS stories of people in Canada coming to the US for sports related surgeries. The United States has some of the best doctors and medical research companies, in the world. I really don’t want a single payer type program, fucking that all up. Again, it’s not just $833/month. It’s also got an $8k deductible. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441.md?page=64) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441.md?page=66)