# The Trump Presidency Discussion Thread (Non-Meme version) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 12, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441 "2016-12-12T13:42:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1561 "2017-12-05T12:43:02Z")
I’m calling bullshit for now. The only source they have is Trump’s lawyer. They don’t say they had confirmation from Deutsche Bank and it was a German newspaper that first reported it. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1562 "2017-12-05T12:49:10Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > … They don’t say they had confirmation from Deutsche Bank… > … We have confirmed this with the bank… :\ ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1563 "2017-12-05T12:51:19Z")
I meant Reuters. Trump and associates would totally never lie to save face. You’re right, they are the pinnacle of dignity and respect for the 1st amendment, due process, and generally not being douche bags. But seriously, I wouldn’t discount it yet. I’ll happily eat my words if it wasn’t true. (Not that I did anything aside from post an article that almost every outlet was reporting. Even if the records were turned over/subpoenaed it doesn’t mean shit unless there was actual wrong doing.) ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1564 "2017-12-06T05:40:36Z")
remember when republicans complained about obamacare being passed without knowing what was in it? “Senate Republicans Made a $289 Billion Mistake in the Handwritten Tax Bill They Passed at 2 A.M. Go Figure.” > **[Senate Republicans Appear to Have Made a $289 Billion Mistake in Their Tax Bill](https://slate.com/business/2017/12/senate-republicans-may-have-made-a-usd260-billion-mistake-in-their-tax-bill.html)** > > This is what happens when you pass handwritten legislation at 2 a.m. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1565 "2017-12-06T05:54:02Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > remember when republicans complained about obamacare being passed without knowing what was in it? > > “Senate Republicans Made a $289 Billion Mistake in the Handwritten Tax Bill They Passed at 2 A.M. Go Figure.” > > [Senate Republicans may have made a $289 billion mistake in their tax bill.](https://slate.com/business/2017/12/senate-republicans-may-have-made-a-usd260-billion-mistake-in-their-tax-bill.html) You do understand how a bill becomes a law right? This still has to go through reconciliation and will simply be fixed there. But continue gulping down Slate’s slanted BS like it’s actual news. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1566 "2017-12-06T06:00:12Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > You do understand how a bill becomes a law right? This still has to go through reconciliation and will simply be fixed there. But continue gulping down Slate’s slanted BS like it’s actual news. :tspry: ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1567 "2017-12-06T06:07:10Z")
are you saying bills are meaningless because reconciliation is for just throwing away and then doing what you decide? that’s not how this works. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1568 "2017-12-06T06:09:11Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > are you saying bills are meaningless because reconciliation is for just throwing away and then doing what you decide? that’s not how this works. No, I’m saying blowing one thing completely out of proportion and then writing a multiple page article about how this one thing that is NEVER going to actually make into the signed law is going to drastically alter how the tax cuts work is the typical [#FakeNews](http://www.nyspeed.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=FakeNews) nonsense that has become the standard operating procedure of the MSM. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1569 "2017-12-06T06:17:16Z")
don’t worry, I’m sure everything else in the bill was tip top and reviewed well. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1570 "2017-12-06T06:18:44Z")
Pretty sure everyone in this thread is getting at tax cut under both the House and Senate plans. But that’s one of those inconvenient truths I guess since this is the worst tax bill ever according to the MSM. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1571 "2017-12-06T06:22:02Z")
let’s get this trickle down party flowing. I don’t have kids so I’ve got nothing to lose. worked for Reagan, right? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1572 "2017-12-06T06:53:08Z")
Well it’s happening either way I would at least put effort into being upset about the final bill :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1573 "2017-12-06T07:40:28Z")
Most everyone will get a tax cut in the first year but that’s hardly the point. What effect will this bill have 2-3 years down the road for you? 5-6 years? How about for your kids? Now, how about the billionaires who will benefit from the permanent tax breaks? What happens to federally funded programs considering they are drastically reducing their own revenue and creating a massive deficit increase? From earlier: > [@Paulo](#): > > So this really is a tax break for the wealthy being paid for by the lower class. I’d also like to know how much those numbers would change when you account for entitlements, write offs, tuition waivers as income, etc. > > Additionally, they are trying to reduce the health care individual mandate penalty to $0. Not eliminate it, reduce it to 0. Which is another half assed chess move to blame democrats down the road when premiums go up again due to fewer people carrying insurance. I’m only seeing short term arguments in support of the tax bill. Most right wingers know better than to call it trickle down economics. Do you really think the wealthiest people are going to stimulate the economy with a few more million? Fuck no. They will just be wealthier. So, honestly, what long term positive effects do you see from this plan? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1574 "2017-12-06T07:51:36Z")
I don’t understand the concept around thinking billionaires and others should keep paying more. I’m hopeful this passes and screws NY into a position where they have to control the states spending and taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1575 "2017-12-06T07:59:53Z")
I don’t understand the concept around thinking billionaires are struggling and need more breaks while diminishing programs like Medicare. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1576 "2017-12-06T09:10:00Z")
if you look at effective tax rates billionaires pay less, right? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1577 "2017-12-06T09:37:07Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > if you look at effective tax rates billionaires pay less, right? ![http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/5a216852f914c347018b73c6-1200/11-15-17-married-jointly-tax-brackets-current-house-senate.png](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/d/9/d9651439f23aaacd46fa9ae30b0c1b5cfcb920b3.png) ![http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5a21682c3dbef430008b9672-1200/11-15-17-single-tax-brackets-current-house-senate.png](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/e/7/e7666893641719736b0b491bafba29caed82a0fd.png) ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1578 "2017-12-06T09:42:40Z")
I don’t really even want to get into taxes because no one’s opinion is going to change. Left vs Right just inherently believe differently on taxes. Personally, I think lowering the corporate tax rate is going to be great for the economy. I’ve talked to the owner at the small business where I work and he has talked to his tax guy and I can personally say it’s going to be great for our company. Bottom line, it’s going to pass and time will tell. Will some businesses dump the savings into their profits? Probably. Will the majority? I seriously doubt it because their competition will be investing that money into their business. I know we’re going to spend more on our development staff to push new versions of our software out sooner. I’d much rather talk about stuff we might find some middle ground on, like NK or Jerusalem. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1579 "2017-12-06T09:50:40Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I’d much rather talk about stuff we might find some middle ground on, I’m trying to do that on the tax plan. It’s not about changing opinions. It’s about having a better understanding of the topic and the perspective of other people. > [@Paulo](#): > > …what long term positive effects do you see from this plan? Anyone want to take a crack at it? JayS’ example for small business is one that could help. Although I’d like to hear more detail about what about this bill helps small companies. I’m in favor of the corporate tax rate decrease to be more competitive on a global stage. However, they should also close loopholes to ensure those companies aren’t just going to fuck the system regardless. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-trump-presidency-discussion-thread-non-meme-version/274441/1580 "2017-12-06T09:56:15Z")
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