# The UB student that was shot recently... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [May 12, 2009, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656 "2009-05-12T06:34:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/81 "2009-05-12T10:54:36Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > UB’s job is education, not helping kids rent houses closer to the downtown club scene. Policing neighborhoods and urban renewal is the job of the city and their police departments. When you look at the idiots the city residents elect to run the city it’s no big surprise the problems Buffalo has. The city council is full of tax cheats and deadbeat landlords. > > If anything, since the city isn’t doing it’s part to keep the area safe, UB should be advising their students NOT to live there, not trying to pressure more student housing in the area. I don’t agree with this at all either. Yes UB’s primary job is education but since many of these students leave their parents for the first time ever, many are still children in their own minds. Hence why there are soo many student programs set up for support of the students. UB is very much in charge and responsible for the well being of the students. I do agree with you that UB should urge students move into oncampus housing, that would be much easier for the University to care for them. Large problem with this is on campus apartments. There simply isn’t enough, many students get denied entry into them so they are forced into the dorms for another year, or they move off campus. South campus is a very very good place for students due to the Transportation that UB already has setup between north an south campus. its free and the most convenient option. I would say 50% of the students living on campus, or just off campus don’t have cars, many from NYC that don’t even have their drivers license or learners permit. Transportation makes this a very big draw for students to live elsewhere and because of this UB should again put serious emphasis in the area’s where there is a strong concentration of their students is. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/82 "2009-05-12T10:57:11Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Those of you who honestly want to see real change in the area need to get off UB’s case and start pressuring the politicians. Get organized and find some candidates who aren’t a bunch of slumlord landlords and tax evaders with their hands in the back pocket of Byron Brown. > > Sitting around bitching that “UB should fix it” isn’t going to change anything. I agree bitching isn’t going to fix it. But right now UB is crippled with their budget so they can’t fix it either. neither can the CITY. This is a community outreach project at this point ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/83 "2009-05-12T11:00:33Z")
From a city perspective, they have no incentive to fix this because the trash would just go to some other part of the city. They’re obviously not going to the suburbs so if you fix up and price them out of one lower-class area, you’re just robbing Peter to pay Paul. (no pun intended) They’ll end up in some other cheap neighborhood that right now is tolerable, but could quickly go downhill. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/84 "2009-05-12T11:03:53Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > I agree bitching isn’t going to fix it. But right now UB is crippled with their budget so they can’t fix it either. neither can the CITY. This is a community outreach project at this point The city has the manpower to deal with this, what it’s lacking is the political will. If someone wanted to get organized and use this shooting as an issue to push for the political change needed the change could come even with the poor economy. Unfortunately the people in power right now are more interested in union raises and revenue generating red light cameras. Unless you change the people driving policy in the city you shouldn’t expect a change in course. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/85 "2009-05-12T11:11:04Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Those of you who honestly want to see real change in the area need to get off UB’s case and start pressuring the politicians. Get organized and find some candidates who aren’t a bunch of slumlord landlords and tax evaders with their hands in the back pocket of Byron Brown. > > Sitting around bitching that “UB should fix it” isn’t going to change anything. :cheers: agreed ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/86 "2009-05-12T11:14:12Z")
[http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Leadership/CommonCouncil](http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Leadership/CommonCouncil) Most of them are up for reelection in 2011. Get some strong candidates to run on the “stop bad neighborhood sprawl” platform and you could easily take North, University, Delaware and maybe Masten districts. Kearns in South district is already on the Buffalo Urban Renewal Agency, so that would give you 5-4 majority on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/87 "2009-05-12T11:15:34Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > The city has the manpower to deal with this, what it’s lacking is the political will. If someone wanted to get organized and use this shooting as an issue to push for the political change needed the change could come even with the poor economy. > > Unfortunately the people in power right now are more interested in union raises and revenue generating red light cameras. Unless you change the people driving policy in the city you shouldn’t expect a change in course. ☹ true. Well thankfully I’ll be out of this area shortly and hopefully can forget it. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/88 "2009-05-12T11:20:06Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > [Buffalo, NY | Official Website](http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Leadership/CommonCouncil) > > Most of them are up for reelection in 2011. > > Get some strong candidates to run on the “stop bad neighborhood sprawl” platform and you could easily take North, University, Delaware and maybe Masten districts. > > Kearns in South district is already on the Buffalo Urban Renewal Agency, so that would give you 5-4 majority on the issue. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/89 "2009-05-12T11:20:33Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > [Buffalo, NY | Official Website](http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Leadership/CommonCouncil) > > Most of them are up for reelection in 2011. > > Get some strong candidates to run on the “stop bad neighborhood sprawl” platform and you could easily take North, University, Delaware and maybe Masten districts. > > Kearns in South district is already on the Buffalo Urban Renewal Agency, so that would give you 5-4 majority on the issue. LOL I would hate to be incharge of the ellicot district :-X ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/90 "2009-05-12T11:28:14Z")
Need to find a better slogan than, “stop bad neighborhood sprawl” though. It has to be simple, something idiots can grasp without really having to understand like, “Yes we can”. “Take Back Buffalo” works, and people are already somewhat familiar with Take Back The Night, so you could build on that. ---
**Author:** ![A.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@A.J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/A.J)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/91 "2009-05-12T12:14:49Z")
If you have been to a community meeting in the heights you know why UB is not improving the area. When I lived in the heights we would get fliers all the time telling us that we are the problem in the neighborhood and we lead the gangs ( I did not live in a frat house or a crazy party house by any means). The community meetings are only about how to get students kicked out the neighborhoods and screaming how UB involvement is ruining the heights. Community groups in the area are very outspoken and firm where they stand on wanting nothing to do with UB. They do not understand that when students move out more scum moves in and more 16 year old thugs are running around with guns and mugging people. I understand that college kids can leave trash, but trash can be picked up and thrown out. Also the community group has a webpage out there with examples of “student problems” with pictures of the houses and examples. They continue to blame the students for violence as well instead of trying to curtail the actual problems ---
**Author:** ![Coldaccord](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/coldaccord/32/7272_2.png) [@Coldaccord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Coldaccord)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/92 "2009-05-12T13:14:07Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > It’s pretty clear where UB thinks it’s students should be living. Drive around the lakes at UB North and think about what that used to look like 10 years ago. Drive up and down Sweet Home and think about what that looked like 10 years ago. UB has given the students plenty of safe areas to live in, but some of them want to live closer to the city. > > Guess what, when you live in or right on the border of a city with a big gang and drug problem nothing the school can do is going to make you safe. sweet home is $650 a person per month. There are a lot of students who simply cannot afford that. This nice housing is the same thing as the city/suburbs comparison. Expensive nice safe housing in the suburbs, those who can’t afford it live in the heights ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/93 "2009-05-12T13:25:25Z")
I skimmed through and dint see anything so sorry for my redundancy if this has been covered but: My co worker (who was once lab partners with the victim) says this kid graduated with his Bachelors in electrical engeneering just one day before he was shot. He was in fact a big “thug” from NYC who tried to push the sale of drugs on my coworker several times. Was a very loudmouth kid who tried to pick fights with my coworkers engineering friends several times. And basically had this coming. Idk if that helps clarify what happened 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/94 "2009-05-12T13:27:55Z")
^ Interesting if true. ---
**Author:** ![Coldaccord](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/coldaccord/32/7272_2.png) [@Coldaccord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Coldaccord)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/95 "2009-05-12T13:29:49Z")
i had a class with javon. he was a nice guy. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/96 "2009-05-12T13:30:04Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > ^ Interesting if true. ^^ Yeah… and if true, it baffles me that this kid who was apparently smart enough to make it through a pretty difficult Electrical Engineering major, still was too stupid to keep his head out of trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/97 "2009-05-12T13:30:25Z")
This wouldn’t surprise me, and that was my first impulse when i saw his picture and that he was from the Bronx. however what would surprise me was if he was a combination of that and smart enough to get an EE degree from UB, that’s no joke. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/98 "2009-05-12T13:32:20Z")
damn, buzz and i said pretty much teh same thing at the same time ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/99 "2009-05-12T13:33:47Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > I skimmed through and dint see anything so sorry for my redundancy if this has been covered but: > > My co worker (who was once lab partners with the victim) says this kid graduated with his Bachelors in electrical engeneering just one day before he was shot. > > He was in fact a big “thug” from NYC who tried to push the sale of drugs on my coworker several times. > > Was a very loudmouth kid who tried to pick fights with my coworkers engineering friends several times. > > And basically had this coming. > > Idk if that helps clarify what happened 😉 “Had this coming” You’re a douche bag…I still don’t think you deserve to get shot though… ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656/100 "2009-05-12T13:38:56Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > “Had this coming” > > You’re a douche bag…I still don’t think you deserve to get shot though… Im sorry, but I have no mercy for “those people” who cant escape the “thugg life” image despite their escape from “da hood.” I had the same reaction to this as when I heard about those NFL players getting shot the last few seasons. Obviously they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The problem is, they have no trouble being in the wrong place at the wrong time. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-ub-student-that-was-shot-recently/67656.md?page=6)