# The worlds richest business man is the worlds cheapest bastard.. **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [April 28, 2005, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971 "2005-04-28T08:56:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![newchic](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newchic/32/5989_2.png) [@newchic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newchic)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/81 "2005-05-03T18:31:38Z")
> [@eurodad](#): > > get it all out, i’m not intersted in talking about this at home. Yeah I know… you’re never interested in talking. :idb: ---
**Author:** ![eurodad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eurodad/32/5988_2.png) [@eurodad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eurodad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/82 "2005-05-03T18:32:51Z")
> [@newchic](#): > > Yeah I know… you’re never interested in talking. :idb: :love: :bj: ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/83 "2005-05-04T05:45:29Z")
> [@newchic](#): > > OK… Darkstar… try to follow along. I know it may be hard but please try because I’m tired of this topic. > > You need to look further into the future when subjects like this come up. There is more than a one time issue here… this could roll into a snowball situation at a very rapid pace. > > Sonny… I’m sorry but I am using you as an example in this discussion… don’t be mad… I’m just trying to explain. > > Story… (not true) > Sonny works for Company A as a Network Analyst making 100,000 per year. President Bush opens all sanctions allowing Corporations to hire from all over the Globe. Company A realizes they can hire 4 people from Asia for the same cost as one person (Sonny) from the USA. Company A decides to “layoff” Sonny and hire 4 people from Asia. Company A never sacrifices talent in this scenario. The folks in Asia are just as qualified as Sonny is. Now Sonny has lost his job. He looks thru the ads and can’t find anything over 15,000 per year. \<- this is of because the flood of foreigners on the jobs market. So Sonny… who has bills to pay… must accept a LOW PAYING position to put food on the table and keep the car running. But Sonny doesn’t have any extra money now. So he decides not to take a vaction at your (Darkstar) hotel. The next thing you (Darkstar) notice is your room sales have dropped. Seems very slow for peak season. Boss comes to you (Darkstar) and says, “Business has been slow this year. I’m afraid we can’t afford to keep the pool open.” Which means you (Darkstar) are now out of a job…because President Bush opened sanctions to hire outside the US, and Sonny did not keep his original job. > > Does that make more sense? Do you see how this can effect everyone in the USA. Hiring outside the US can drive the wages down. If we get paid less for the same job, we can’t meet our obligations. > > At no point did I ever say that US companies should sacrifice high quality workers just because they are from another country. > > And, do not fool yourself into believing these decisions are not made based on Money. ALL decisions are based on Money. There are highly qualified valuable people in every country, the problem lies when you start mixing economic standards for these countries. Minimum wage here and minimum wage in China are not nearly the same. OK, i tried to follow along… It was pretty hard for someone with such a limited intellegence as myself. I hope you do realize that your entire arguement is based on the assumption that companies will import foreign workers and then pay them 1/4 what an American worker would make. And we all know how assumptions work. Either way, there is a labor shortage. That means that your IT salaries are already inflated. Could this bring them down a little bit? Yes. Will it make it so that your hypothetical Sonny will be chased out of the industry and go from banking 100Gs a year to flipping burgers? No, but if It did, I couldnt begin to imagine the increase in hilarity of his “i hate my coworkers” posts. If there were a shortage of qualified pizza delivery drivers and Pizza Hut had to hire mentally handicapped illegals from Cambodia to deliver pizza for $25/hr what do you think it would to to their business. A pizza would cost $30, and the customer service would be horrible because retarded Cambodians cant really deliver pizzas very well. Paying underskilled employees highly inflated wages is not profitable for companies. Heres another possibility: Company A who is a very IT personnel intensive company who is damned to hiring underqualified employees and paying them high wages and still cant fill all their IT positions can now fully staff their IT department with exceptional employees at a more reasonable wage. They are now a more profitable and efficient company. They can now lower the prices on the produts they sell and can afford to pay their other employees a higher wage. Now everyone is making enough money to go on vacation. My hotel is sold out 365 days a year, the pool is a huge hit, and my hotel buys me an Enzo, a kilo of coke and 3 Scanadavian hookers as appreciation for my tireless work. ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/84 "2005-05-04T05:58:07Z")
well bottom line, bill gates is trying to save money. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/85 "2005-05-04T06:05:27Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > well bottom line, bill gates is trying to make his company more profitable. fixed. And theres nothing wrong with that. If his company was fully staffed by competent American workers and he was doing this, thats one thing. And this option is much better than him picking up anchor and moving his whole company to Asia, and then all the American workers would lose their jobs. ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/86 "2005-05-04T06:09:43Z")
well saving money is more profit!!! andbeing that he’s ‘cutting’ wages by relocating the workforce… he’s saving the budgeted wage for the next year. :kekegay: ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/87 "2005-05-04T07:00:25Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > well saving money is more profit!!! andbeing that he’s ‘cutting’ wages by relocating the workforce… he’s saving the budgeted wage for the next year. :kekegay: truth. ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/88 "2005-05-04T07:05:26Z")
i think it’s a smart move… i’ll just go over to india where they eat goats… goats are cheaper than beef, so i can take a pay cut!!! :hs: ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/89 "2005-05-04T07:41:05Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > i think it’s a smart move… i’ll just go over to india where they eat goats… goats are cheaper than beef, so i can take a pay cut!!! :hs: no smog tests either ---
**Author:** ![silvrhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@silvrhand](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silvrhand)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/90 "2005-05-04T13:27:54Z")
Apparently you have never had to keep updates to a large linux user department as well, it’s just as difficult and time consuming as a windows network, the only advantage is the tools to automate it are already there, but it’s still a nightmare. If Linux was 90% of the market you’d be bitching about all the security problems with it as well, it’s not bulletproof either. Again you go off making statements about shit you have no idea about. > [@ShalerPunk](#): > > give it time. > > in some parts of Asia, the price of Windows is under $30 because everyone’s switching to free and dirt cheap copies of Linux. All over the world people are getting fed up with security issues in IE and Windows. I’m not saying I believe Apple will ever dominate the market like they used to, but I can see this being the last PC I own with a copy of Windows on it. > > When software developers’ testicles drop and they start making more Linux software (or Windows emulation within Linux is flawless), you’ll see a mass migration. Imagine WalMart putting out an eMachine with Linux for $250. The masses will go for it. > > I remember when nearly every home and school PC was an Apple, and no one thought that status quo was touchable. ---
**Author:** ![silvrhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@silvrhand](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silvrhand)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/91 "2005-05-04T13:34:12Z")
You have no idea what it takes to be an IT employee these days, you are expected to work long hours, know every subject, and be on call 24x7x365 by your favorite cell/pager/electronic device. If anything we are underpaid and overworked, but this is quite common in the EU sector. But you have never lived there though and had an IT job right? When was the last time you seen anyone cut prices on their products since they were able to reduce internal costs, I’ve been working for a while now and not once have I ever seen that… ever… Oh and when they remove the restrictions on the visa your hotel would more than likely hire a familiy for 1/2 of what you make and they would eat shit and live in the hotel in the fucking basement cause that’s better than living in some shithole in pakistan where they are getting shot/killed/raped. > [@Darkstar](#): > > OK, i tried to follow along… It was pretty hard for someone with such a limited intellegence as myself. I hope you do realize that your entire arguement is based on the assumption that companies will import foreign workers and then pay them 1/4 what an American worker would make. And we all know how assumptions work. > > Either way, there is a labor shortage. That means that your IT salaries are already inflated. Could this bring them down a little bit? Yes. Will it make it so that your hypothetical Sonny will be chased out of the industry and go from banking 100Gs a year to flipping burgers? No, but if It did, I couldnt begin to imagine the increase in hilarity of his “i hate my coworkers” posts. If there were a shortage of qualified pizza delivery drivers and Pizza Hut had to hire mentally handicapped illegals from Cambodia to deliver pizza for $25/hr what do you think it would to to their business. A pizza would cost $30, and the customer service would be horrible because retarded Cambodians cant really deliver pizzas very well. Paying underskilled employees highly inflated wages is not profitable for companies. > > Heres another possibility: Company A who is a very IT personnel intensive company who is damned to hiring underqualified employees and paying them high wages and still cant fill all their IT positions can now fully staff their IT department with exceptional employees at a more reasonable wage. They are now a more profitable and efficient company. They can now lower the prices on the produts they sell and can afford to pay their other employees a higher wage. Now everyone is making enough money to go on vacation. My hotel is sold out 365 days a year, the pool is a huge hit, and my hotel buys me an Enzo, a kilo of coke and 3 Scanadavian hookers as appreciation for my tireless work. ---
**Author:** ![berad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/berad/32/5953_2.png) [@berad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/berad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/92 "2005-05-04T13:44:51Z")
USA has to draw the line somewhere with its standard of living. Unless they want to inflate the economy even more than it already is by allowing more foriegners in, laying more Americans off that collect unemployement from the Fed., I dont think it will happen. If it does, kiss our asses goodbye in the next 30 years ---
**Author:** ![silvrhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@silvrhand](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silvrhand)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/93 "2005-05-04T14:08:28Z")
Exactly, How can we compete with China who has multiple millions of workers who will work for $80-100 per month in very hostile environments. We as a country can not compete with that, very few can. > [@Be\_Rad](#): > > USA has to draw the line somewhere with its standard of living. Unless they want to inflate the economy even more than it already is by allowing more foriegners in, laying more Americans off that collect unemployement from the Fed., I dont think it will happen. If it does, kiss our asses goodbye in the next 30 years ---
**Author:** ![newchic](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newchic/32/5989_2.png) [@newchic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newchic)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/94 "2005-05-04T14:34:03Z")
Silvrhand and Be Rad… thank you… I’m glad someone got what I was saying. Darkstar… you’re hopeless. ---
**Author:** ![silvrhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@silvrhand](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silvrhand)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/95 "2005-05-04T14:44:37Z")
He’s in a blind hatred for our government, he needs to move to some other country and find out how nice the US is. We aren’t perfect but damn we aren’t that bad. > [@newchic](#): > > Silvrhand and Be Rad… thank you… I’m glad someone got what I was saying. > > Darkstar… you’re hopeless. ---
**Author:** ![Pewter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pewter/32/5936_2.png) [@Pewter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pewter)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/96 "2005-05-04T15:04:11Z")
> [@silvrhand](#): > > He’s in a blind hatred for our government, he needs to move to some other country and find out how nice the US is. We aren’t perfect but damn we aren’t that bad. well said,all of it! 🍺🍺 ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/97 "2005-05-04T21:31:32Z")
> [@silvrhand](#): > > You have no idea what it takes to be an IT employee these days, you are expected to work long hours, know every subject, and be on call 24x7x365 by your favorite cell/pager/electronic device. If anything we are underpaid and overworked, but this is quite common in the EU sector. But you have never lived there though and had an IT job right? > > When was the last time you seen anyone cut prices on their products since they were able to reduce internal costs, I’ve been working for a while now and not once have I ever seen that… ever… Oh and when they remove the restrictions on the visa your hotel would more than likely hire a familiy for 1/2 of what you make and they would eat shit and live in the hotel in the fucking basement cause that’s better than living in some shithole in pakistan where they are getting shot/killed/raped. > [@The Article](#): > > During an infrequent visit to lobby personally for changes in federal policy, the world’s richest executive said the government should eliminate the limit of 65,000 for overseas workers who can be hired each year by American firms under specialty “H1-B” visas **aimed at drawing engineers, scientists, architects and doctors to the United States.** Engineers, Scientists, Architects, and Doctors. I dont think I have anything to worry about. There is a shortage of IT people in the US. Microsoft cant hire enough Americans because there arent enough Americans, I doubt these Asian imports will get paid any less than their American counterparts. These are the smart people, not burger flippers. Not the tech supoprt guys that read out of a book. They managed to become accomplished IT guys and Im sure arent being paid $10 a day to work like some Cambodian kid stitching together Nikes. When they come to the US they arent gonna work for a $15K salary. If they are living in the US, they have to deal with the US’s cost of living. How would the office be if half of the guys (the Americans)were making $80K a year and all of the foreigners are making $30K? YOu guys act like we are opening up the gate on the Mexican border and screaming “C’mon i!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/98 "2005-05-04T21:35:23Z")
> [@silvrhand](#): > > Exactly, > > How can we compete with China who has multiple millions of workers who will work for $80-100 per month in very hostile environments. We as a country can not compete with that, very few can. they might be able to live off of $80 a month in China, but tell me how they fuck they will live off $80 a month in the US? Is Microsoft gonna buy out Motel 6 to put them up and then buy the Ramen Soup company to keep them all fed? We’re not talking about outsourcing. Read the article, read the thread, get yourself up to speed and then post your comments. ---
**Author:** ![silvrhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@silvrhand](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silvrhand)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2005, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/99 "2005-05-05T07:31:01Z")
I hate to tell you something, but yah they do pay them about half of what we make… I’ve just gone through watching almost every American Engineer at Marconi get laid off and replaced with a fresh one from India making about half of what the others do… You are talking about things that you don’t know about, increasing the # of work visa’s is retarded when we have more than enough people here to do the work. > [@Darkstar](#): > > Engineers, Scientists, Architects, and Doctors. I dont think I have anything to worry about. There is a shortage of IT people in the US. Microsoft cant hire enough Americans because there arent enough Americans, I doubt these Asian imports will get paid any less than their American counterparts. These are the smart people, not burger flippers. Not the tech supoprt guys that read out of a book. They managed to become accomplished IT guys and Im sure arent being paid $10 a day to work like some Cambodian kid stitching together Nikes. When they come to the US they arent gonna work for a $15K salary. If they are living in the US, they have to deal with the US’s cost of living. How would the office be if half of the guys (the Americans)were making $80K a year and all of the foreigners are making $30K? YOu guys act like we are opening up the gate on the Mexican border and screaming “C’mon i!!!” ---
**Author:** ![silvrhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@silvrhand](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silvrhand)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2005, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971/100 "2005-05-05T07:36:50Z")
Yah but it gives you an idea of what we are up against, if they are making $80 a month in China doesn’t $3000 a month sound like a huge increase? So you get your job in the US, get your H1B and work your ass off for 2 years living in some shithole slum lord apt, with no car/health insurance, riding the bus and banking $1000 per month, aka 1 year of your salary in China. So now you have a motivated employee that’s making 36,000 a year and think he’s rolling in the bank cause he’s going home with 12-15k in his pocket that he can live off of for 10-20 years in China. Do you see the whole picture now or do I need some crayons to draw it out for you? > [@Darkstar](#): > > they might be able to live off of $80 a month in China, but tell me how they fuck they will live off $80 a month in the US? Is Microsoft gonna buy out Motel 6 to put them up and then buy the Ramen Soup company to keep them all fed? We’re not talking about outsourcing. Read the article, read the thread, get yourself up to speed and then post your comments. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-worlds-richest-business-man-is-the-worlds-cheapest-bastard/173971.md?page=6)