# This crap is ridiculous. Automotive legal advice please...... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 24, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773 "2005-10-24T17:13:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/61 "2005-10-28T22:09:55Z")
my thoughts exactly lol ---
**Author:** ![nytrus1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nytrus1/32/7302_2.png) [@nytrus1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nytrus1)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/62 "2005-10-29T08:19:17Z")
I have been around many vehicle transactions, and 99% of the time they go smoothly. Usually, the seller gives the buyer a signed title, a signed bill of sale( stating date, sold to whom, vehicle id#, price, and condition, usually “as is”), and the keys. What does the seller get in return? The Cash! Once money changes hands, game over, buyer owns it, enjoy… It is a good idea to make a copy of the bill of sale but the seller doesn’t need any proof of transaction. If there is a problem, the burden of proof is on the buyer. If it ever got to court(big IF), the judge would ask the buyer to show proof he got ripped off, and he would have to produce the bill of sale (the only proof that HE has that he gave the seller money) signed by the seller clearly stating price and “as is” condition. Case Closed… In this case, you are in the drivers seat, you have his money and HIS car. politely tell him to remove his car in x # of days, or as others have said charge him storage. Do not put it in the street and have the city take it as DMV records still have you listed as owner. The city will try to charge You for the towing/storage fees. If he refuses to take the car, another option is to give the car away for parts 🙂 Legally you can’t sell it(he has the title) but if the car “goes away” it is not your problem, He owns it, he should keep an eye on it. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/63 "2005-10-29T08:58:02Z")
In4PartsCar ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/64 "2005-10-29T16:10:45Z")
just got an email from him: "Jay, After talking to a couple friends of mine they have some ideas on how to move the air filter away from the wheel well. I am going to take you up on your offer to ship the car to me. Let me know what details you need so we can get the process started." Looks like he realises i was right. ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/65 "2005-10-29T16:23:48Z")
if he needs freinds to help him decide how to kep an airfilter dry … i dont expect this car to live long … ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/66 "2005-10-29T16:25:59Z")
i know, right? sad, really… ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/67 "2005-10-29T16:32:42Z")
Looks like the coaches email worked. Now that Johnny Cochran is dead…someone has to be crafty If the filters wet…the cars upset 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Twizted](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/twizted/32/7206_2.png) [@Twizted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Twizted)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/68 "2005-10-29T16:32:58Z")
> [@Adictd2b00st](#): > > just got an email from him: > > "Jay, > > After talking to a couple friends of mine they have some ideas on how to move the air filter away from the wheel well. I am going to take you up on your offer to ship the car to me. Let me know what details you need so we can get the process started." > > Looks like he realises i was right. :tup: there goes some weight off of your shoulders ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/69 "2005-10-29T16:33:44Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > Looks like the coaches email worked. > > Now that Johnny Cochran is dead…someone has to be crafty > > If the filters wet…the cars upset 🙂 🤣 that was awesome 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/70 "2005-10-29T16:39:23Z")
- he is still getting an awesome car for the $ ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/71 "2005-10-29T16:41:24Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > If the filters wet…the cars upset 🙂 had to add that to my sig, lol ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/72 "2005-10-29T16:43:10Z")
🙇‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/73 "2005-10-29T17:28:38Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > If the filters wet…the cars upset 🙂 LMAO! ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/74 "2005-10-30T05:59:57Z")
> [@walter](#): > > This folks is why you _always_ take two copies of the bill of sale and get it notarized. As well as keep a copy of the notarized title. > > Just an FYI for future reference. > > I’m surprised that NYS doesn’t require either to be notarized in the first place. You can add it to the list of stupid shit NYS does on a regular basis… ---
**Author:** ![99\_civic\_si](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99_civic_si/32/7319_2.png) [@99\_civic\_si](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99_civic_si)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/75 "2005-10-30T20:19:47Z")
good thing he wants to work it out…but one thing no one mentioned…DON’T video tape you driving the car to show it working…It’s not your car any more. Technically, you’d be driving a stolen car, which is also unregistered. ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/76 "2005-10-30T20:38:00Z")
well the vehical was left in his driveway, so its in his care and therfore allowed to move it at will … all he has to do is videotape it going up and down the driveway a few times and hes all set if the vehical is still registered in his name with his plates on it, its not stolen either because its technicly still his in the eyes of the state, it doesnt REALY belong to the new owner till its in the new owners name thats why if you sell a car you must always scrape the Reg from the window, otherwise the new owner can get tickets in your name, and it then becomes your responsibility to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the new owner that got the tickets ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/77 "2005-10-31T05:17:01Z")
> [@HotRodKid](#): > > call him on the phone and record the conversation, ask him: > > 1)if he remembers that you said you had never driving it in the rain > 2) if he remembers you saying it was because the filter would get wet > 3) clarify what would be needed acoding to the law for it to be a lemon > 4) ask him if he understands that that law doesnt apply EVER to used cars > 5) inform him of the daily storage fee that the car will start to accumulate if its not picked up in one week > > recordings are alays better then paperwork 🙂 recordings arenot usable in court.the other party must know ur taping ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/78 "2005-10-31T05:47:24Z")
technicly, yes, doesnt mean it alays works that way i think civil cases have more lieint rules for wire taps tho ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/79 "2005-11-18T13:00:31Z")
just incase anyone was wondering…the car ended up being shipped yesterday, so FINALLY everything is taken care of. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773/80 "2005-11-18T13:06:40Z")
glad to hear shit’s done with. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/this-crap-is-ridiculous-automotive-legal-advice-please/3773.md?page=5)