# Time for a change? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 8, 2008, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678 "2008-12-08T19:58:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/41 "2008-12-09T04:30:02Z")
Cliffs: eff off ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/42 "2008-12-09T04:31:33Z")
> [@BENNYFIZZLE](#): > > Not gonna happen man, no matter how much I try, I can’t clean every thread and push it into the garbage bin, and that’s what happens, and will continue to happen, that’s the environment here and you’d be hypocritical to complain, as I’ve seen you clutter threads just the same as anyone else. Now I’m pretty high and shit right now, but the constant drama, failures, and general aura of shift keeps me coming back. I thought I posted more to that, i just woke up but I emanst to say, yes im guilty as well. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/43 "2008-12-09T04:33:16Z")
Didn’t read the thread but I was talking to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/44 "2008-12-09T04:41:47Z")
100% agree with jim. I’ve had this feeling for a couple months now. My activity on the forum has dropped drastically. I just didn’t care enough to make a thread about it. yay jim! > [@crazybrew609](#): > > jim i think your forgetting where were at… this sit can’t moderate… then all the mods would turn into centola… and we all know they don’t want that. > > smooth running, productive forum that looks and works great… oh no no no no we can’t have that here, then how would shift be all bad ass and anti rspeed > > this site has APG written all over it… and it will never change b/c vlad is happy with the forum as it is :number1… shift prides itself on being the anti-rspeed. Moderating the site is not option. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/45 "2008-12-09T04:42:41Z")
Yeah no. ---
**Author:** ![crazybrew609](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/crazybrew609/32/6319_2.png) [@crazybrew609](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/crazybrew609)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/46 "2008-12-09T04:45:11Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > 100% agree with jim. I’ve had this feeling for a couple months now. My activity on the forum has dropped drastically. I just didn’t care enough to make a thread about it. yay jim! > > :number1… shift prides itself on being the anti-rspeed. Moderating the site is not option. lol… this is the whole basis this entire forum was built on… yet benny just admitted to doing a ton of “clean up”… WTF guys way to give into conformity :🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/47 "2008-12-09T04:59:56Z")
> [@crazybrew609](#): > > lol… this is the whole basis this entire forum was built on… yet benny just admitted to doing a ton of “clean up”… WTF guys way to give into conformity :🙂 I really have no idea wtf you’re talking about, but stop speaking for Shift’s view’s and policies, we have a hard enough time getting vBulletin up and running, don’t throw us into a little faggot forum whore as well. Shift518 was made for a newpaper, it blew up into something not so much about a newspaper but just as a forum for the local scene. That’s it, quit making it into something more than it is, the people here act this way, there are technical sections, if there’s a legit thread where the OP is trying to keep it on track I’ll clean it up, but who gives a fuck if a thread gets off topic, usually it goes off topic because the original question has already been answered. Shattap. ---
**Author:** ![JiM\_P\_2001](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jim_p_2001/32/6364_2.png) [@JiM\_P\_2001](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JiM_P_2001)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/48 "2008-12-09T05:11:04Z")
I understand that even I have made threads go off topic. The point is that it needs to be cleaned up. Almost every thread on here does that, it doesn’t matter who the original poster is. There are now more members, and more bullshit. Sifting through threads trying to find content worth reading is getting harder and harder every day. It’s to the point that I don’t have time to read all of the bullshit, so I don’t bother reading it at all. ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/49 "2008-12-09T05:12:25Z")
great mentality for a moderator :lol ---
**Author:** ![crazybrew609](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/crazybrew609/32/6319_2.png) [@crazybrew609](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/crazybrew609)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/50 "2008-12-09T05:13:31Z")
> [@BENNYFIZZLE](#): > > but who gives a fuck if a thread gets off topic, usually it goes off topic YEEESSSS spoken like a true shift518 mod :number1 glad to see content and useful material is atop your priority list when it comes to important things about this forum you guys care more about keeping travis around so you can make 12 page long threads about his past failures, then you do about trying to actually go out and make this scene better which is what the origonal goal was of shift this is the time where you just stop posting benny, i can run you in circles all day long b/c you know i’m right about it and i’ve got 7500+ examples ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/51 "2008-12-09T05:24:44Z")
> [@crazybrew609](#): > > YEEESSSS spoken like a true shift518 mod :number1 > > glad to see content and useful material is atop your priority list when it comes to important things about this forum > > you guys care more about keeping travis around so you can make 12 page long threads about his past failures, then you do about trying to actually go out and make this scene better which is what the origonal goal was of shift > > this is the time where you just stop posting benny, i can run you in circles all day long b/c you know i’m right about it and i’ve got 7500+ examples Okay I will say this. I agree, some of the shit deffinatly needs to be cleaned up, sometimes all there is, is just nonsense in a thread that doesnt warrant it. At the same time I look at Rspeed, which I do like and I joined due to a few members MikeyB and you brew. I check Rspeed everyday and it seems like theres only a few new posts a day, its to quiet of a forum for most people. Not only is places like Shift,Rspeed, NYSpeed supposed to cater to car related questions but its a places to talk to people in the off season. Other than from the Lot, racing, aquantinces etc… I hardly know some of the people on here other than from the scene, and sometimes its better that way :lol . Yes theres a time and place for this and that and the other thing. For the most part though everyone on here will help when they can. The bullshit and drama is what makes the forum fun, if it wasnt for that, there would be one new post a day about a car related question. The fact is no matter how much some of you may hate that the forum isnt the most on topic relavant thing in the world. Everyone on here when it comes down to it will answer your questions if you have one and most of the people on here respect one another… No matter how much bullshit goes on in this forum, were all hear for one reason. We love cars and thats what the shits about. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/52 "2008-12-09T06:14:50Z")
I’m not saying I don’t/won’t clean up threads, and yes I agree there should be more mods, I know Vlad was going to make someone a mod not too long ago, but couldn’t tell you why that still hasn’t gone through, I clean up threads as I find them, I don’t go into every single thread every single day, if threads are blatently off topic I move them/split them simply so I can keep track of the drama of a good Failvis without having to guess the thread title :rofl ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/53 "2008-12-09T06:36:19Z")
To be completely honest, this forum thrives off of the drama in these threads. Is that a good thing? Maybe, maybe not. Personally I find it fun to read some of the threads that are about usually complete BS, just to see what people have to say. But do I think the entire forum should be that way? No. I think if we implement a rep system along with a seller/buying rating that rewards those for contributing positively and does the opposite for those who dont, we could solve some of the issue. As rep goes down so do your privledges. If you do something too many times then you get an automatic suspension for a given time period. That will make most people argue threads in either the offtopic/battlefield threads and hopefully end some of the BS in the other threads that we would like to stay clean… Just an idea. ---
**Author:** ![JVG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jvg/32/6348_2.png) [@JVG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JVG)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/54 "2008-12-09T06:43:12Z")
> [@JiM P 2001](#): > > To whom it may concern, > > I understand that everyone likes Shift because you can say and do whatever you want. Lately, all I see is a bunch of shit-talking in every damn thread I click. This site has become completely useless because a topic drifts off into nonsense for pages and pages before a relevant post is made. I never even get to see this relevant post because after reading a page of off topic posts in a thread that I have interest in, I get sick of reading something I don’t care about. Shift is beginning to lose me as a daily poster because of this, and I’m sure there are others that feel the same way. I think it’s time for a change. More moderation, less bullshit, dump all of the crap in the off topic area, or just delete the shit. Oh, and when the hell can we get V-bulletin running? SMF, whatever that means, sucks big black horse cock. > > -Jim > > PS, don’t clutter my thread with bullshit, mother fuckers. Amen, But we are under Russian Rule here and we know how the Soviet’s loved there gov’t control. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/55 "2008-12-09T06:45:29Z")
> [@crazybrew609](#): > > YEEESSSS spoken like a true shift518 mod :number1 > > glad to see content and useful material is atop your priority list when it comes to important things about this forum > > you guys care more about keeping travis around so you can make 12 page long threads about his past failures, then you do about trying to actually go out and make this scene better which is what the origonal goal was of shift > > this is the time where you just stop posting benny, i can run you in circles all day long b/c you know i’m right about it and i’ve got 7500+ examples LOL! This forum has never attempted to be Rspeed. You are taking your e-life too seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/56 "2008-12-09T06:46:49Z")
> [@crazybrew609](#): > > jim i think your forgetting where were at… this sit can’t moderate… then all the mods would turn into centola… and we all know they don’t want that. Vlad wouldn’t offer a moderator position for a $25 membership payment. :lol ---
**Author:** ![JiM\_P\_2001](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jim_p_2001/32/6364_2.png) [@JiM\_P\_2001](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JiM_P_2001)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/57 "2008-12-09T06:52:03Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Vlad wouldn’t offer a moderator position for a $25 membership payment. :lol We both know that is not the case. This thread isn’t about rspeed, it’s about shift. Worry about the problems this site has. I’ll address rspeed’s problems on rspeed. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/58 "2008-12-09T06:55:18Z")
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**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/59 "2008-12-09T06:57:36Z")
> [@JiM P 2001](#): > > We both know that is not the case. We do. Vlad wouldn’t do it. > [@JiM P 2001](#): > > This thread isn’t about rspeed, it’s about shift. Worry about the problems this site has. I’ll address rspeed’s problems on rspeed. Make sure you add “reduce the number of subforums down to under 100” for RSPEED. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![JiM\_P\_2001](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jim_p_2001/32/6364_2.png) [@JiM\_P\_2001](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JiM_P_2001)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678/60 "2008-12-09T06:58:56Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > We do. Vlad wouldn’t do it. You said moderator. It’s $25 to be a _VENDOR_ > [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Make sure you add “reduce the number of subforums down to under 100” for RSPEED. Thanks. I don’t have a problem with RSpeed. I don’t visit the forum that often. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-a-change/240678.md?page=4)