# TimeWarner vs. Verizon FIOS - School me, please **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 13, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868 "2008-09-13T23:22:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PumiceT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@PumiceT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PumiceT)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/1 "2008-09-13T23:22:10Z")
I currently have Time Warner (T-W) with digital cable (no HD, no DVR), telephone and internet. I hear that I can save a little money and switch to Verizon (VZW), and get better EVERYTHING. Is this true? I really have no complaints about T-W, so I don’t want to leave them only to find out I was getting something from them that I took for granted, and VZW can’t offer or charges extra for. I don’t have HD or a DVR from T-W, but I do have TiVo (Series 2 SD). I don’t want to lose the use of my TiVo, but it won’t do HD, so if HD is on my wish-list for the next year or so, which is better, T-W or VZW? Does either offer any freebies, like HD included in their package, or HD with DVR included? Do they both have the SAME channel lineup? Would I lose any channels from T-W Digital Cable? How does the HD channel lineup compare? Is HD just included these days, or is it additional? For some reason I feel like it’s just part of digital cable, but since I don’t have an HDTV, I have no idea! Stupid questions, I’m sure, but I don’t feel like making a spread sheet to compare the channel lineups and everything. ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/2 "2008-09-14T03:18:12Z")
TW is shit, almost anything is better ,if u can get verizon TV go for it. Best to check websites on the different packages. ---
**Author:** ![matter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/97f17d/32.png) [@matter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/matter)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/3 "2008-09-14T05:25:00Z")
FiOS TV HD channels are double or triple the amount of TW HD BROADCAST Channel NBC - WGRZ HD 502 CBS - WIVB HD 504 ABC WKBW HD 507 PBS - WNED HD 517 MY - WNYO HD 519 CW - WNLO HD 523 FOX - WUTV HD 529 USA HD 550 TNT HDTV 551 TBS in HD 552 FX HD 553 Universal HDTV 567 WGN America HD 568 HD Net 569 HD Sports Channel ESPN HDTV 570 ESPNews HD 572 ESPN U HD 573 ESPN2 HDTV 574 Speed HD 583 Big Ten Network HD 585 NFL Network HD 588 VS. Golf HD 590 Outdoor Channel HD 591 Tennis Channel HD 592 World Fishing Network HD 597 MAV TV HD 598 HD News Channel CNN HD 600 CNBC HD+ 602 Fox Business Network HD 617 Fox News HD 618 The Weather Channel HD 619 HD Information & Education Channel Discovery Channel HD 620 National Geographic Channel HD 621 Science Channel HD 622 Smithsonian Channel HD 625 History Channel HD 628 bio: The Biography Channel HD 629 Animal Planet HD 630 HD Theater 631 TLC HD 639 HD Women Channel Lifetime HD [East] 640 Lifetime Movie Network HD 641 HD Marketplace Channel QVC HD 650 HD Home & Leisure Channel Food Network HD 664 HGTV HD 665 Planet Green HD 668 Wealth TV HDTV 669 Travel Channel HD 670 HD Pop Culture Channel Sci-Fi HD 680 A&E HD 681 Bravo HD 685 ABC Family HD 699 HD Music Channel Palladia HD 711 HD Movies Channel Hallmark Movie Channel HD 740 The MGM Channel HD 744 HD Net Movies 746 HD Kids Channel Disney Channel HD 780 Toon Disney HD 78 Digital Video Recorder (DVR) $15.99 FiOS TV Premier $47.99/month Special Online Offer: Order FiOS TV Premier and receive First Month Free and No Activation Fee * * * compared to TWs HD listing 702 WGRZ NBC HD (Buffalo) 703 WNED PBS HD (PBS, Buffalo) 704 WIVB CBS HD (Buffalo) 706 WUTV FOX HD 707 WKBW ABC HD (Buffalo) 708 MYTV BUFFALO HD 724 TNT HD 725 ESPNU HD 726 ESPN-HD 727 ESPN2 HD 740 Discovery HD Theater 742 A&E HD 760 Palladia 770 YES HD 771 Versus/Golf Channel HD 791 HD Net 792 HDNET Movies 793 MOJO HD ---
**Author:** ![JustinH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@JustinH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JustinH)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/4 "2008-09-14T06:49:03Z")
I’m pretty happy with time warner. They have had a fiber network for years, they just don’t make a big deal about it. I have 10mbps internet with the basic HD digital cable package, with basic cable installed in two other rooms. Total bill is 79 bucks per month. ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/5 "2008-09-14T06:55:33Z")
> [@JustinH](#): > > I’m pretty happy with time warner. They have had a fiber network for years, they just don’t make a big deal about it. > > I have 10mbps internet with the basic HD digital cable package, with basic cable installed in two other rooms. > > Total bill is 79 bucks per month. Time warner is still definitely running on copper not fiber. Their backbones and internals may be fiber but if you follow their wires on the road they are copper. There are no splice boxes or repeaters that are very obvious in a fiber setup. Also Time warner as well as direct TV compress the digital signals from the broadcasters. This places less strain on their networks bandwidth. FIOS can handle the full load so it is true digital TV. ---
**Author:** ![Geoff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geoff/32/6104_2.png) [@Geoff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geoff)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/6 "2008-09-14T06:57:48Z")
Just got FiOS internet, waiting for them to roll out TV in my area… ---
**Author:** ![ryanmcell](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ryanmcell/32/7510_2.png) [@ryanmcell](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ryanmcell)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/7 "2008-09-14T20:11:30Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > Time warner is still definitely running on copper not fiber. Their backbones and internals may be fiber but if you follow their wires on the road they are copper. There are no splice boxes or repeaters that are very obvious in a fiber setup. > > Also Time warner as well as direct TV compress the digital signals from the broadcasters. This places less strain on their networks bandwidth. FIOS can handle the full load so it is true digital TV. True but not entirely true. It’s called HFC (hybrid fiber coax). Inside the headend everything is fiber (obviously). It runs fiber from the headend out to the regional headends, from there it runs fiber on the lines to the optical nodes, then from the nodes it runs coax down to the house. The majority of the lines are indeed fiber, just not from the optical node to the house which is where the consumer can see it, so the average consumer just assumes the coax runs the show. As far as compression on the digital video, I left before I got too deep into that but I was told from all the engineers I worked with that it was not compressed, that we just took what we got and distributed it out but I can’t say for sure because I never worked on it directly. (Was going to be a key part of switched digital but then I hit the road to VA). If I had the option I’d go for FiOS simply because you can get speeds up to 50down/20up and that is some nice speed but is quite pricey compared to some deals you can get with TWC. Also the amount of HD channels \> TWC and SD is so boring now. ---
**Author:** ![mickdad246](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mickdad246/32/7274_2.png) [@mickdad246](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mickdad246)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/8 "2008-09-14T21:27:43Z")
i got FIOS, and getin the TV in october…are all those HD channels free?? ---
**Author:** ![ryanmcell](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ryanmcell/32/7510_2.png) [@ryanmcell](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ryanmcell)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/9 "2008-09-15T08:10:43Z")
^^ Probably not free, typically from what I see (TW/Dish/etc) charge around $10/monthly access for HD channels, which if you have a nice tv it is so worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/10 "2008-09-15T08:23:06Z")
Fios TV is $47 for 200 channels & 60 HD -or- $57 for 200+ & 100 including an extra ~13 sports networked channels. Plus box lease. $20 for media center DVR (free 12 months); $15 for HD DVR; $10 for HD STB ($4 off for 12 months); $6 for SD STB. Plus w/e premiums you want. IIRC it is ~$40 for 71 prem channels (HBOs, Cin, TMC, Stars, Flix, etc); they do break them down from there also. That’s it. Getting it installed 10/2. The boxes seem to have some decent features to them, although they have their drawbacks & bugs, as with all providers. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/11 "2008-09-15T08:30:30Z")
Fuck you. I am stuck with 3Mbps DSL where I live. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/12 "2008-09-15T08:46:54Z")
did they come out with fios in rochester yet or just buffalo? my GFs parents picked it up where they live near phili and the HD channels are amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/13 "2008-09-15T08:49:06Z")
For reference sake, if you build an order for FIOS TV without and package discounts (including phone, etc) it is: My example is: two HD tvs & one SD tv $47.99 - TV Essentials 200 channels + all digital channels & HD $5.99 - SD STB $9.99 - HD STB ($4 discount makes it $5.99) _$19.99 - Media Center DVR (free for 12 months)_ **$83.96** / month gross -or- **$59.97** / month net for the first year after discounts. One time fees: $19.99 - activation fee (waived when ordered online) altho I think it is safe to assume that you need to have FIOS internet service to have FIOS televison as the Actiontec router & ONT are required for both. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/14 "2008-09-15T08:52:02Z")
Basic (essentials) channels list: > LOCAL Channel > NBC WGRZ-TV 2 2 > CBS WIVB-TV 4 4 > ABC WKBW-TV 7 7 > WNGS-TV 67 11 > PBS - WNED-TV 17 17 > MY WNYO-TV 49 19 > CW - WNLO-TV 23 23 > TBN WNYB-TV 26 26 > FOX WUTV-TV 29 29 > WGN America 39 > TV Guide Network 48 > Weatherscan Local 49 > > LOCAL PLUS Channel > NBC Weather+ [WGRZ] 460 > WNED Think Bright 472 > > HD BROADCAST Channel > NBC - WGRZ HD 502 > CBS - WIVB HD 504 > ABC WKBW HD 507 > PBS - WNED HD 517 > MY - WNYO HD 519 > CW - WNLO HD 523 > FOX - WUTV HD 529 > > ENTERTAINMENT Channel > USA Network 50 > TNT 51 > TBS 52 > FX 53 > Spike TV 54 > > SPORTS Channel > ESPN 70 > ESPN Classic Sports 71 > ESPNews 72 > ESPNU 73 > ESPN2 74 > Speed Channel 83 > Fox Soccer Channel 84 > Big Ten Network 85 > NFL Network 88 > Versus 90 > Fox College Sports Atlantic 300 > Fox College Sports Central 301 > Fox College Sports Pacific 302 > Tennis Channel 303 > Golf Channel 304 > Outdoor Channel 307 > Sportsman Channel 308 > Fox Sports Español 311 > GOL TV 313 > TVG [Horse Racing] 315 > Horse Racing TV 316 > World Fishing Network 317 > Mav TV 318 > Blackbelt TV 319 > > NEWS Channel > CNN 100 > CNN Headline News 101 > CNBC 102 > Bloomberg TV 104 > CNN International 105 > CNBC World 106 > BBC World News 107 > ABC News Now 108 > C-SPAN 109 > C-SPAN 2 110 > C-SPAN 3 111 > Fox Business Network 117 > Fox News 118 > The Weather Channel 119 > > INFORMATION & EDUCATION Channel > Discovery Channel 120 > National Geographic Channel 121 > Science Channel 122 > Investigation Discovery 123 > Pentagon Channel 124 > The Military Channel 125 > Military History Channel 126 > History Channel International 127 > History Channel 128 > Bio [The Biography Channel] 129 > Animal Planet 130 > FiOS TV Information 131 > TLC [East] 139 > > WOMEN Channel > Lifetime [East] 140 > Lifetime Movie Network 141 > Lifetime Real Women 142 > Soapnet [East] 143 > Oxygen 144 > WE: Women’s Entertainment 149 > > Marketplace Channel > QVC 150 > HSN [Home Shopping Network] 151 > Jewelry 155 > Shop NBC 157 > > HOME & LEISURE Channel > Style [East] 160 > Discovery Health 161 > Veria Television 162 > Fit TV 163 > Food Network [East] 164 > Home and Garden TV [East] 165 > Fine Living 166 > DIY [Do It Yourself] 167 > Planet Green 168 > Wealth TV 169 > Travel Channel 170 > > POP CULTURE Channel > Sci-Fi Channel [East] 180 > A&E [East] 181 > Crime & Investigation Network 182 > truTV [East] 183 > GSN [Game Show Network] 184 > Bravo 185 > Sleuth 186 > Logo 187 > Ovation 188 > BBC America 189 > Comedy Central [East] 190 > G4 191 > Current TV 192 > E! Entertainment Television [East] 196 > Fox Reality 197 > Fuel TV 198 > ABC Family [East] 199 > > MUSIC Channel > MTV [East] 210 > MTV2 211 > MTV U 212 > MTV Jams 213 > MTV Hits 214 > Fuse 216 > VH1 217 > VH1 Classic 218 > VH1 Soul 219 > BET J 220 > CMT 221 > CMT Pure Country 222 > Great American Country 223 > Gospel Music Channel 224 > BET Gospel 225 > Soundtrack Channel 229 > > MOVIES Channel > Turner Classic Movies 230 > AMC [American Movie Classics] 231 > Fox Movie Channel 232 > ReelzChannel 233 > Hallmark Channel [East] 240 > > FAMILY Channel > Family Net 242 > AmericanLife TV 243 > TV Land [East] 244 > Retirement Living 245 > RFD TV 247 > > KIDS Channel > Disney [East] 250 > Toon Disney [East] 251 > Nickelodeon [East] 252 > Nick 2 253 > Nick Toons 254 > The N 255 > Noggin 256 > Cartoon Network [East] 257 > Boomerang 258 > Discovery Kids 259 > Varsity TV 260 > FUNimation 262 > PBS Kids Sprout 263 > > PEOPLE & CULTURE Channel > BET [East] 270 > TV One 271 > MTV Tr3s 273 > Galavision [East] 274 > Mun2 [East] 275 > Sí TV 276 > Bridges TV 278 > HITn 279 > > RELIGION Channel > EWTN 285 > INSP 286 > I-Life 287 > Church Channel 288 > JCTV 289 > BYU Television 290 > Three Angels Broadcasting 291 > The Word 292 > Daystar 293 > Smile of a Child 294 > TBN - TRINITY 295 > > HD Entertainment Channel > USA HD 550 > TNT HDTV 551 > TBS in HD 552 > FX HD 553 > Universal HDTV 567 > WGN America HD 568 > HD Net 569 > > HD Sports Channel > ESPN HDTV 570 > ESPNews HD 572 > ESPN U HD 573 > ESPN2 HDTV 574 > Speed HD 583 > Big Ten Network HD 585 > NFL Network HD 588 > VS. Golf HD 590 > Outdoor Channel HD 591 > Tennis Channel HD 592 > World Fishing Network HD 597 > MAV TV HD 598 > > HD News Channel > CNN HD 600 > CNBC HD+ 602 > Fox Business Network HD 617 > Fox News HD 618 > The Weather Channel HD 619 > > HD Information & Education Channel > Discovery Channel HD 620 > National Geographic Channel HD 621 > Science Channel HD 622 > Smithsonian Channel HD 625 > History Channel HD 628 > bio: The Biography Channel HD 629 > Animal Planet HD 630 > HD Theater 631 > TLC HD 639 > > HD Women Channel > Lifetime HD [East] 640 > Lifetime Movie Network HD 641 > > HD Marketplace Channel > QVC HD 650 > > HD Home & Leisure Channel > Food Network HD 664 > HGTV HD 665 > Planet Green HD 668 > Wealth TV HDTV 669 > Travel Channel HD 670 > > HD Pop Culture Channel > Sci-Fi HD 680 > A&E HD 681 > Bravo HD 685 > ABC Family HD 699 > > HD Music Channel > Palladia HD 711 > > HD Movies Channel > Hallmark Movie Channel HD 740 > The MGM Channel HD 744 > HD Net Movies 746 > > HD Kids Channel > Disney Channel HD 780 > Toon Disney HD 781 > > ENTERTAINMENT Channel > USA Network 50 > TNT 51 > TBS 52 > FX 53 > Spike TV 54 > > SPORTS Channel > ESPN 70 > ESPN Classic Sports 71 > ESPNews 72 > ESPNU 73 > ESPN2 74 > YES 76 > MSG 77 > Sportsnet New York 78 > MSG Plus 79 > Speed Channel 83 > Fox Soccer Channel 84 > Big Ten Network 85 > NFL Network 88 > Versus 90 > > NEWS Channel > CNN 100 > CNN Headline News 101 > CNBC 102 > MSNBC 103 > Bloomberg TV 104 > CNN International 105 > CNBC World 106 > BBC World News 107 > ABC News Now 108 > C-SPAN 109 > C-SPAN 2 110 > C-SPAN 3 111 > Fox Business Network 117 > Fox News 118 > The Weather Channel 119 > > INFORMATION & EDUCATION Channel > Discovery Channel 120 > National Geographic Channel 121 > Science Channel 122 > Investigation Discovery 123 > Pentagon Channel 124 > The Military Channel 125 > Military History Channel 126 > History Channel International 127 > History Channel 128 > Bio [The Biography Channel] 129 > Animal Planet 130 > FiOS TV Information 131 > TLC [East] 139 > > WOMEN Channel > Lifetime [East] 140 > Lifetime Movie Network 141 > Lifetime Real Women 142 > Soapnet [East] 143 > Oxygen 144 > WE: Women’s Entertainment 149 > > Marketplace Channel > QVC 150 > HSN [Home Shopping Network] 151 > Jewelry 155 > Shop NBC 157 > > HOME & LEISURE Channel > Style [East] 160 > Discovery Health 161 > Veria Television 162 > Fit TV 163 > Food Network [East] 164 > Home and Garden TV [East] 165 > Fine Living 166 > DIY [Do It Yourself] 167 > Planet Green 168 > Wealth TV 169 > Travel Channel 170 > > POP CULTURE Channel > Sci-Fi Channel [East] 180 > A&E [East] 181 > Crime & Investigation Network 182 > truTV [East] 183 > GSN [Game Show Network] 184 > Bravo 185 > Sleuth 186 > Logo 187 > Ovation 188 > BBC America 189 > Comedy Central [East] 190 > G4 191 > E! Entertainment Television [East] 196 > Fox Reality 197 > Fuel TV 198 > ABC Family [East] 199 > > MUSIC Channel > MTV [East] 210 > MTV2 211 > MTV U 212 > MTV Jams 213 > MTV Hits 214 > Fuse 216 > VH1 217 > VH1 Classic 218 > VH1 Soul 219 > BET J 220 > CMT 221 > CMT Pure Country 222 > Great American Country 223 > Gospel Music Channel 224 > BET Gospel 225 > Soundtrack Channel 229 > > MOVIES Channel > Turner Classic Movies 230 > AMC [American Movie Classics] 231 > Fox Movie Channel 232 > ReelzChannel 233 > Hallmark Channel [East] 240 > > FAMILY Channel > Family Net 242 > AmericanLife TV 243 > TV Land [East] 244 > Retirement Living 245 > > KIDS Channel > Disney [East] 250 > Toon Disney [East] 251 > Nickelodeon [East] 252 > Nick 2 253 > Nick Toons 254 > The N 255 > Noggin 256 > Cartoon Network [East] 257 > Boomerang 258 > Discovery Kids 259 > Varsity TV 260 > FUNimation 262 > PBS Kids Sprout 263 > > PEOPLE & CULTURE Channel > BET [East] 270 > TV One 271 > MTV Tr3s 273 > Galavision [East] 274 > Mun2 [East] 275 > Sí TV 276 > Bridges TV 278 > HITn 279 > > RELIGION Channel > EWTN 285 > INSP 286 > I-Life 287 > Church Channel 288 > JCTV 289 > BYU Television 290 > Three Angels Broadcasting 291 > The Word 292 > Daystar 293 > Smile of a Child 294 > TBN - TRINITY 295 > > HD Entertainment Channel > USA HD 550 > TNT HDTV 551 > TBS in HD 552 > FX HD 553 > Universal HDTV 567 > WGN America HD 568 > HD Net 569 > > HD Sports Channel > ESPN HDTV 570 > ESPNews HD 572 > ESPN U HD 573 > ESPN2 HDTV 574 > YES HD 576 > Speed HD 583 > Big Ten Network HD 585 > NFL Network HD 588 > Tennis Channel HD 592 > World Fishing Network HD 597 > > HD News Channel > CNN HD 600 > CNBC HD+ 602 > Fox Business Network HD 617 > Fox News HD 618 > The Weather Channel HD 619 > > HD Information & Education Channel > Discovery Channel HD 620 > National Geographic Channel HD 621 > Science Channel HD 622 > Smithsonian Channel HD 625 > History Channel HD 628 > bio: The Biography Channel HD 629 > Animal Planet HD 630 > HD Theater 631 > TLC HD 639 > > HD Women Channel > Lifetime HD [East] 640 > Lifetime Movie Network HD 641 > > HD Marketplace Channel > QVC HD 650 > > HD Home & Leisure Channel > Food Network HD 664 > HGTV HD 665 > Planet Green HD 668 > Wealth TV HDTV 669 > Travel Channel HD 670 > > HD Pop Culture Channel > Sci-Fi HD 680 > A&E HD 681 > Bravo HD 685 > ABC Family HD 699 > > HD Music Channel > Palladia HD 711 > > HD Movies Channel > HD Net Movies 746 > > HD Kids Channel > Disney Channel HD 780 > Toon Disney HD 781 ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/15 "2008-09-15T08:52:10Z")
Basic (essentials) channels list: > LOCAL Channel > NBC WGRZ-TV 2 2 > CBS WIVB-TV 4 4 > ABC WKBW-TV 7 7 > WNGS-TV 67 11 > PBS - WNED-TV 17 17 > MY WNYO-TV 49 19 > CW - WNLO-TV 23 23 > TBN WNYB-TV 26 26 > FOX WUTV-TV 29 29 > WGN America 39 > TV Guide Network 48 > Weatherscan Local 49 > > LOCAL PLUS Channel > NBC Weather+ [WGRZ] 460 > WNED Think Bright 472 > > HD BROADCAST Channel > NBC - WGRZ HD 502 > CBS - WIVB HD 504 > ABC WKBW HD 507 > PBS - WNED HD 517 > MY - WNYO HD 519 > CW - WNLO HD 523 > FOX - WUTV HD 529 > > ENTERTAINMENT Channel > USA Network 50 > TNT 51 > TBS 52 > FX 53 > Spike TV 54 > > SPORTS Channel > ESPN 70 > ESPN Classic Sports 71 > ESPNews 72 > ESPNU 73 > ESPN2 74 > Speed Channel 83 > Fox Soccer Channel 84 > Big Ten Network 85 > NFL Network 88 > Versus 90 > Fox College Sports Atlantic 300 > Fox College Sports Central 301 > Fox College Sports Pacific 302 > Tennis Channel 303 > Golf Channel 304 > Outdoor Channel 307 > Sportsman Channel 308 > Fox Sports Español 311 > GOL TV 313 > TVG [Horse Racing] 315 > Horse Racing TV 316 > World Fishing Network 317 > Mav TV 318 > Blackbelt TV 319 > > NEWS Channel > CNN 100 > CNN Headline News 101 > CNBC 102 > Bloomberg TV 104 > CNN International 105 > CNBC World 106 > BBC World News 107 > ABC News Now 108 > C-SPAN 109 > C-SPAN 2 110 > C-SPAN 3 111 > Fox Business Network 117 > Fox News 118 > The Weather Channel 119 > > INFORMATION & EDUCATION Channel > Discovery Channel 120 > National Geographic Channel 121 > Science Channel 122 > Investigation Discovery 123 > Pentagon Channel 124 > The Military Channel 125 > Military History Channel 126 > History Channel International 127 > History Channel 128 > Bio [The Biography Channel] 129 > Animal Planet 130 > FiOS TV Information 131 > TLC [East] 139 > > WOMEN Channel > Lifetime [East] 140 > Lifetime Movie Network 141 > Lifetime Real Women 142 > Soapnet [East] 143 > Oxygen 144 > WE: Women’s Entertainment 149 > > Marketplace Channel > QVC 150 > HSN [Home Shopping Network] 151 > Jewelry 155 > Shop NBC 157 > > HOME & LEISURE Channel > Style [East] 160 > Discovery Health 161 > Veria Television 162 > Fit TV 163 > Food Network [East] 164 > Home and Garden TV [East] 165 > Fine Living 166 > DIY [Do It Yourself] 167 > Planet Green 168 > Wealth TV 169 > Travel Channel 170 > > POP CULTURE Channel > Sci-Fi Channel [East] 180 > A&E [East] 181 > Crime & Investigation Network 182 > truTV [East] 183 > GSN [Game Show Network] 184 > Bravo 185 > Sleuth 186 > Logo 187 > Ovation 188 > BBC America 189 > Comedy Central [East] 190 > G4 191 > Current TV 192 > E! Entertainment Television [East] 196 > Fox Reality 197 > Fuel TV 198 > ABC Family [East] 199 > > MUSIC Channel > MTV [East] 210 > MTV2 211 > MTV U 212 > MTV Jams 213 > MTV Hits 214 > Fuse 216 > VH1 217 > VH1 Classic 218 > VH1 Soul 219 > BET J 220 > CMT 221 > CMT Pure Country 222 > Great American Country 223 > Gospel Music Channel 224 > BET Gospel 225 > Soundtrack Channel 229 > > MOVIES Channel > Turner Classic Movies 230 > AMC [American Movie Classics] 231 > Fox Movie Channel 232 > ReelzChannel 233 > Hallmark Channel [East] 240 > > FAMILY Channel > Family Net 242 > AmericanLife TV 243 > TV Land [East] 244 > Retirement Living 245 > RFD TV 247 > > KIDS Channel > Disney [East] 250 > Toon Disney [East] 251 > Nickelodeon [East] 252 > Nick 2 253 > Nick Toons 254 > The N 255 > Noggin 256 > Cartoon Network [East] 257 > Boomerang 258 > Discovery Kids 259 > Varsity TV 260 > FUNimation 262 > PBS Kids Sprout 263 > > PEOPLE & CULTURE Channel > BET [East] 270 > TV One 271 > MTV Tr3s 273 > Galavision [East] 274 > Mun2 [East] 275 > Sí TV 276 > Bridges TV 278 > HITn 279 > > RELIGION Channel > EWTN 285 > INSP 286 > I-Life 287 > Church Channel 288 > JCTV 289 > BYU Television 290 > Three Angels Broadcasting 291 > The Word 292 > Daystar 293 > Smile of a Child 294 > TBN - TRINITY 295 > > HD Entertainment Channel > USA HD 550 > TNT HDTV 551 > TBS in HD 552 > FX HD 553 > Universal HDTV 567 > WGN America HD 568 > HD Net 569 > > HD Sports Channel > ESPN HDTV 570 > ESPNews HD 572 > ESPN U HD 573 > ESPN2 HDTV 574 > Speed HD 583 > Big Ten Network HD 585 > NFL Network HD 588 > VS. Golf HD 590 > Outdoor Channel HD 591 > Tennis Channel HD 592 > World Fishing Network HD 597 > MAV TV HD 598 > > HD News Channel > CNN HD 600 > CNBC HD+ 602 > Fox Business Network HD 617 > Fox News HD 618 > The Weather Channel HD 619 > > HD Information & Education Channel > Discovery Channel HD 620 > National Geographic Channel HD 621 > Science Channel HD 622 > Smithsonian Channel HD 625 > History Channel HD 628 > bio: The Biography Channel HD 629 > Animal Planet HD 630 > HD Theater 631 > TLC HD 639 > > HD Women Channel > Lifetime HD [East] 640 > Lifetime Movie Network HD 641 > > HD Marketplace Channel > QVC HD 650 > > HD Home & Leisure Channel > Food Network HD 664 > HGTV HD 665 > Planet Green HD 668 > Wealth TV HDTV 669 > Travel Channel HD 670 > > HD Pop Culture Channel > Sci-Fi HD 680 > A&E HD 681 > Bravo HD 685 > ABC Family HD 699 > > HD Music Channel > Palladia HD 711 > > HD Movies Channel > Hallmark Movie Channel HD 740 > The MGM Channel HD 744 > HD Net Movies 746 > > HD Kids Channel > Disney Channel HD 780 > Toon Disney HD 781 > > ENTERTAINMENT Channel > USA Network 50 > TNT 51 > TBS 52 > FX 53 > Spike TV 54 > > SPORTS Channel > ESPN 70 > ESPN Classic Sports 71 > ESPNews 72 > ESPNU 73 > ESPN2 74 > YES 76 > MSG 77 > Sportsnet New York 78 > MSG Plus 79 > Speed Channel 83 > Fox Soccer Channel 84 > Big Ten Network 85 > NFL Network 88 > Versus 90 > > NEWS Channel > CNN 100 > CNN Headline News 101 > CNBC 102 > MSNBC 103 > Bloomberg TV 104 > CNN International 105 > CNBC World 106 > BBC World News 107 > ABC News Now 108 > C-SPAN 109 > C-SPAN 2 110 > C-SPAN 3 111 > Fox Business Network 117 > Fox News 118 > The Weather Channel 119 > > INFORMATION & EDUCATION Channel > Discovery Channel 120 > National Geographic Channel 121 > Science Channel 122 > Investigation Discovery 123 > Pentagon Channel 124 > The Military Channel 125 > Military History Channel 126 > History Channel International 127 > History Channel 128 > Bio [The Biography Channel] 129 > Animal Planet 130 > FiOS TV Information 131 > TLC [East] 139 > > WOMEN Channel > Lifetime [East] 140 > Lifetime Movie Network 141 > Lifetime Real Women 142 > Soapnet [East] 143 > Oxygen 144 > WE: Women’s Entertainment 149 > > Marketplace Channel > QVC 150 > HSN [Home Shopping Network] 151 > Jewelry 155 > Shop NBC 157 > > HOME & LEISURE Channel > Style [East] 160 > Discovery Health 161 > Veria Television 162 > Fit TV 163 > Food Network [East] 164 > Home and Garden TV [East] 165 > Fine Living 166 > DIY [Do It Yourself] 167 > Planet Green 168 > Wealth TV 169 > Travel Channel 170 > > POP CULTURE Channel > Sci-Fi Channel [East] 180 > A&E [East] 181 > Crime & Investigation Network 182 > truTV [East] 183 > GSN [Game Show Network] 184 > Bravo 185 > Sleuth 186 > Logo 187 > Ovation 188 > BBC America 189 > Comedy Central [East] 190 > G4 191 > E! Entertainment Television [East] 196 > Fox Reality 197 > Fuel TV 198 > ABC Family [East] 199 > > MUSIC Channel > MTV [East] 210 > MTV2 211 > MTV U 212 > MTV Jams 213 > MTV Hits 214 > Fuse 216 > VH1 217 > VH1 Classic 218 > VH1 Soul 219 > BET J 220 > CMT 221 > CMT Pure Country 222 > Great American Country 223 > Gospel Music Channel 224 > BET Gospel 225 > Soundtrack Channel 229 > > MOVIES Channel > Turner Classic Movies 230 > AMC [American Movie Classics] 231 > Fox Movie Channel 232 > ReelzChannel 233 > Hallmark Channel [East] 240 > > FAMILY Channel > Family Net 242 > AmericanLife TV 243 > TV Land [East] 244 > Retirement Living 245 > > KIDS Channel > Disney [East] 250 > Toon Disney [East] 251 > Nickelodeon [East] 252 > Nick 2 253 > Nick Toons 254 > The N 255 > Noggin 256 > Cartoon Network [East] 257 > Boomerang 258 > Discovery Kids 259 > Varsity TV 260 > FUNimation 262 > PBS Kids Sprout 263 > > PEOPLE & CULTURE Channel > BET [East] 270 > TV One 271 > MTV Tr3s 273 > Galavision [East] 274 > Mun2 [East] 275 > Sí TV 276 > Bridges TV 278 > HITn 279 > > RELIGION Channel > EWTN 285 > INSP 286 > I-Life 287 > Church Channel 288 > JCTV 289 > BYU Television 290 > Three Angels Broadcasting 291 > The Word 292 > Daystar 293 > Smile of a Child 294 > TBN - TRINITY 295 > > HD Entertainment Channel > USA HD 550 > TNT HDTV 551 > TBS in HD 552 > FX HD 553 > Universal HDTV 567 > WGN America HD 568 > HD Net 569 > > HD Sports Channel > ESPN HDTV 570 > ESPNews HD 572 > ESPN U HD 573 > ESPN2 HDTV 574 > YES HD 576 > Speed HD 583 > Big Ten Network HD 585 > NFL Network HD 588 > Tennis Channel HD 592 > World Fishing Network HD 597 > > HD News Channel > CNN HD 600 > CNBC HD+ 602 > Fox Business Network HD 617 > Fox News HD 618 > The Weather Channel HD 619 > > HD Information & Education Channel > Discovery Channel HD 620 > National Geographic Channel HD 621 > Science Channel HD 622 > Smithsonian Channel HD 625 > History Channel HD 628 > bio: The Biography Channel HD 629 > Animal Planet HD 630 > HD Theater 631 > TLC HD 639 > > HD Women Channel > Lifetime HD [East] 640 > Lifetime Movie Network HD 641 > > HD Marketplace Channel > QVC HD 650 > > HD Home & Leisure Channel > Food Network HD 664 > HGTV HD 665 > Planet Green HD 668 > Wealth TV HDTV 669 > Travel Channel HD 670 > > HD Pop Culture Channel > Sci-Fi HD 680 > A&E HD 681 > Bravo HD 685 > ABC Family HD 699 > > HD Music Channel > Palladia HD 711 > > HD Movies Channel > HD Net Movies 746 > > HD Kids Channel > Disney Channel HD 780 > Toon Disney HD 781 although some of the HD channels are showing as duplicates from that list, dunno why, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![sickboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ea924/32.png) [@sickboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sickboy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/16 "2008-09-15T09:38:07Z")
I’m not up to speed on the TV thing, but as far as internet: FIOS = Kick Ass, T-W = Suck Ass ---
**Author:** ![PumiceT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@PumiceT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PumiceT)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/17 "2008-09-15T09:42:58Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Basic (essentials) channels list: > > although some of the HD channels are showing as duplicates from that list, dunno why, sorry. That doesn’t include any internet or phone service. I did their online price quote, and it not only would NOT SAVE me any money, it would cost another 20-50 bucks more per month. I’ll expect them to call me sometime and work out a deal. I won’t fall for their “free for the first 12 months” crap, because that only helps them APPEAR competitive. Also, the internet packages offer 20 down / 5 up as the main standard. I don’t think I’d consider spending more for the 20/20 or 50/20. I’m not running a web server or anything! Which brings up an interesting point. It’s FIBER, why limit bandwidth (other than as a tool to change prices)? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/18 "2008-09-15T09:46:36Z")
> [@PumiceT](#): > > Which brings up an interesting point. It’s FIBER, why limit bandwidth (other than as a tool to change prices)? :lol: Because their core infrastructure wouldn’t support it? ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/19 "2008-09-15T09:50:06Z")
I have no idea wether or not it will save you any money because I have no idea what you pay for TW now. Again, the out of the box pricing with ZERO discounts or promos is $84 / mo. Actually, judging by your OP I am guessing it is safe to assume that you’re not running an HDTV… In which case YOUR monthly cost would be $53.98 before taxes / fees / surcharges. That is the 200 all digital channels & 6X HD channels. If you’re not taking advantage of HD services now, you prolly have no need to go to FIOS TV to be honest. I looked into it yesterday (because of this thread) and switching to FIOS TV (bundled with my pre-existing phone & internet service) will save me ~$68 / mo versus what I carry with DISH Network now. I am by no means a Verizon humper. I switched to FIOS internet because it blows TWs RR service out of the water in terms of reliability, prices, and speed. I’m switching to FIOS TV because of ~4 months of problems with DISH and because it is substantially cheaper. Also consider that we barely use all of the DISH content we have anyhow, so we’re effectively losing ~9 channels & a few sirius channels for the ~40% price break. ---
**Author:** ![PumiceT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@PumiceT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PumiceT)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868/20 "2008-09-15T09:51:19Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > :lol: > > Because their core infrastructure wouldn’t support it? So, all the bandwidth would get eaten up rather than divided nicely? [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/timewarner-vs-verizon-fios-school-me-please/54868.md?page=2)