# tires really do matter... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 17, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804 "2012-12-17T21:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/1 "2012-12-17T21:28:10Z")
> **[Lincoln accused of 'tricky' tire switch by automotive website](https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-autos-lincoln-mkz-tires-20121217-story.html)** > > Automotive website Edmunds.com on Monday excoriated Lincoln for lending it a car that had high performance tires, which Lincoln acknowledged almost none of its buyers will select. > Automotive website [Edmunds.com](http://Edmunds.com) on Monday excoriated Lincoln for lending it a car that had high performance tires, which Lincoln acknowledged almost none of its buyers will select. > > The tires in question are [Michelin](http://www.latimes.com/topic/economy-business-finance/michelin-group-ORCRP009917.topic) Pilot Super Sports. They’re found on much more exotic cars like BMW’s M5 and Ferrari’s F12 Berlinetta. The tires are available as part of a $1,565 package on Lincoln MKZ sedans with optional all-wheel-drive. > > But a Lincoln spokesman confirmed that the company only expects less than 1 percent of MKZ buyers to take home a car with these tires. Lincoln says AWD models will account for a quarter of all MKZ sales. Of those AWD sales, 1% to 2% will go home with these Michelins. > > The impact tires have on a car’s performance cannot be overstated. Because they’re the only point of contact between a vehicle and the road, a good tire can yield significant gains in traction, acceleration, braking, and cornering. > [**Quiz: The year in business**](http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-quiz-the-year-in-business-20121207-quiz,0,6634076.story) > In its review of the MKZ, Santa Monica-based [Edmunds.com](http://Edmunds.com) takes Lincoln to task for including on a car for media tires that don’t accurately reflect what buyers will take home. **After noting that the MKZ completed Edmunds’ slalom course faster than a BMW M5** , author Erin Riches says this information is misleading and masks the car’s many shortcomings. > > “That’s exactly the kind of data point those tricky tire-switching Lincoln engineers were hoping for. Foolish. Instead of trying to game the media, Lincoln should have designed and engineered a better car,” Riches’ review states. > > Edmunds also faulted the MKZ for having less interior space than the Ford Fusion on which it’s based, a low-rent interior construction and a forgettable V-6 engine. Riches concluded by saying: “Lincoln’s future is on the line, and this redesigned 2013 Lincoln MKZ won’t be enough to reverse its downward spiral.” I read somewhere that is was just as fast in the slalom as a 911… Just goes to show, you can have the best suspension,brakes etc, but if you don’t have sticky tires…it doesn’t matter ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/2 "2012-12-17T22:19:11Z")
They aren’t really that good of a tire lol. Impressive ---
**Author:** ![Dekar12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@Dekar12](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dekar12)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/3 "2012-12-18T05:25:39Z")
Are these tires stock on the other cars they noted in the article? Or is it an option like the MKZ? ---
**Author:** ![Jeller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@Jeller](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeller)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/4 "2012-12-18T05:26:23Z")
I think its kinda BS. If you can buy the car that way then fine, if they put on tires that you could not even order with the car then I would understand the argument. Lots of cars get tested with the “track package” or the optional wheels (many of times includes better tires also). I think this guy is being a retard. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/5 "2012-12-18T05:43:31Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > They aren’t really that good of a tire lol. Impressive Reasoning behind this statement? Everyone I know that uses them loves them and everything I read about them is positive. Only downside seems to be the cost. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalSterm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/originalsterm/32/4964_2.png) [@OriginalSterm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OriginalSterm)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/6 "2012-12-18T05:49:40Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#): > > Reasoning behind this statement? Everyone I know that uses them loves them and everything I read about them is positive. Only downside seems to be the cost. I think they are pretty good performance tires if you play around on the street with them. They always got greasy on the track after a few laps for me though, no matter what tire pressure I set them to. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/7 "2012-12-18T06:21:26Z")
> [@OriginalSterm](#): > > I think they are pretty good performance tires if you play around on the street with them. They always got greasy on the track after a few laps for me though, no matter what tire pressure I set them to. Yeah I would hope people wouldn’t expect them to be similar to R-Comps. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/8 "2012-12-18T06:24:22Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#): > > Reasoning behind this statement? Everyone I know that uses them loves them and everything I read about them is positive. Only downside seems to be the cost. Price and wear rating. Granted the super sports are supposed to be better than the PS2’s, but I went through my PS2’s in 15k miles. ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/9 "2012-12-18T06:29:54Z")
I would buy the cheaper long wear tires from the dealer and have a second set of wheel and tires for aggressive driving. Mostly because of the low wear life on sport tires and the over charging at the dealership. ---
**Author:** ![Gl1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gl1/32/5471_2.png) [@Gl1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gl1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/10 "2012-12-18T06:35:30Z")
> They’re found on much more exotic cars like BMW’s M5 and Ferrari’s F12 Berlinetta. > After noting that the MKZ completed Edmunds’ slalom course faster than a BMW M5 so they’re saying that with the same tires, the Lincoln is faster through the slalom than an M5??? and that Lincoln needs to design a better car? ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/11 "2012-12-18T06:36:20Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#): > > Reasoning behind this statement? Everyone I know that uses them loves them and everything I read about them is positive. Only downside seems to be the cost. I meant big picture, if you wanted a really sticky tire use a R-Comp. It is a stock tire that performs fine on the street. Its not like they tossed some track tires on the car, they are stock street tires. ---
**Author:** ![Copper280z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/copper280z/32/5464_2.png) [@Copper280z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Copper280z)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/12 "2012-12-18T06:50:55Z")
I drove a friends car at an autocross with PSS’s, it was a mostly stock mazda 3 sedan. I don’t think they’re as good as a Stat Spec or RE11, but they are pretty good. No street tire compares to an R comp like A6’s or v710’s. Same course, same drivers, same car, we saw over 1s(on a 30sec course) between ANCIENT v710’s(poorly stored, ~7 years old, ~1.5mm rubber left) and Toyo R1R’s. I would expect new v710’s to be 1-2sec quicker than those. ---
**Author:** ![DougFresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eada6e/32.png) [@DougFresh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DougFresh)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/13 "2012-12-18T07:27:29Z")
What is the purpose or argument of this article? The MKZ outperformed a M5 with same tires(although just one test). But Lincoln needs to design a better car? ---
**Author:** ![OriginalSterm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/originalsterm/32/4964_2.png) [@OriginalSterm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OriginalSterm)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/14 "2012-12-18T08:52:24Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#): > > Yeah I would hope people wouldn’t expect them to be similar to R-Comps. Agreed. But I just re-read the article and realized I have no experience with the SS, just the PS2s… ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tires-really-do-matter/227804/15 "2012-12-18T08:54:38Z")
> [@DougFresh](#): > > What is the purpose or argument of this article? The MKZ outperformed a M5 with same tires(although just one test). But Lincoln needs to design a better car? Probably bringing to light for the gen public that cars provided to magazines/press are in trims that 99% of consumers would not purchase. If you are asking what the point of this thread, better tires = better traction. Was the Viper ACR-X on R-Comp tires faster than a Viper with stock tires, yep. Was that expected, sure.