# Top speed run ends very badly for some idiots **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 26, 2008, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488 "2008-01-26T16:24:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/61 "2008-01-28T10:57:21Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > snip All the training in the world while you’re sitting there shotgun really doesn’t mean much once you’re out of the car and the kids 4 buddies hop in. It helps, but you can still quickly outdrive your skill in a powerful car. If you forgot how much different you drove when you were 16 and your parents were in the car vs how you drove when your buddies were in the car your memory is slipping too quickly for your age. 😉 And I don’t care if it was the kids car that he bought, the kids car that the parents bought, or the parents car. If the kid lived under their roof they ultimately had control over what he drove. If the kid was entirely living on his own then there really is nothing more the parents could have done, but how many 18-19 year olds paying all their own bills can afford an 08 M5? ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/62 "2008-01-28T11:25:55Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > All the training in the world while you’re sitting there shotgun really doesn’t mean much once you’re out of the car and the kids 4 buddies hop in. It helps, but you can still quickly outdrive your skill in a powerful car. If you forgot how much different you drove when you were 16 and your parents were in the car vs how you drove when your buddies were in the car your memory is slipping too quickly for your age. 😉 > > And I don’t care if it was the kids car that he bought, the kids car that the parents bought, or the parents car. If the kid lived under their roof they ultimately had control over what he drove. If the kid was entirely living on his own then there really is nothing more the parents could have done, but how many 18-19 year olds paying all their own bills can afford an 08 M5? lol, good points, sort of. My friends “taught” me to drive… I kind of just got behind the wheel and went. Refinment came with experience - that whole “learn from your mistakes” line. 😃 But, yea. and… its south florida. There is aton of money down there. You know damned well that I’m arguing the principal at the matter - solely because I’m bored and don’t feel like working. I completely agree that teh kid is an idiot, and assuredly deserved his fate for risking the other 4. I’m sure the parents feel bad, but then again, I don’t see them “at fault” socially. I’ve spent a lil time in the Tampa area, and if it is a good example, then the people down there _definately_ don’t have the same “hardluck blue-collar town” mentality that Buffalo does… whereas an M5 is “too much” for an 18-20 yr old. Meh. Time to punch the clock 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/63 "2008-01-28T11:35:09Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > lol, good points, sort of. My friends “taught” me to drive… I kind of just got behind the wheel and went. Refinment came with experience - that whole “learn from your mistakes” line. 😃 That pretty much backs you into a corner on this debate then. Had you been learning from your mistakes in a 500 HP M5 they probably would have been scraping you off a bloody smear 15 feet up on a big oak tree. The higher the speed the more you pay for that mistake. And if your parents bought you that 500HP car, or even just let you drive it without supervision, you can’t tell me they wouldn’t be questioning that decision the rest of their lives. And not singling you out. I punched that Tercel off the road once at a pretty good clip once, and had plenty of near misses when I was learning to control my own serious need for speed. Had the car been capable of a lot more I don’t doubt the outcome would have been much worse. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/64 "2008-01-28T11:38:22Z")
no, no 500hp M5’s. Just 350whp 3rd gen fbody, a bottled 5.0 mustang, and cargo van with a 3-on-the-tree. :gotme: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Russian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the_russian/32/7414_2.png) [@The\_Russian](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The_Russian)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/65 "2008-01-28T11:43:45Z")
My first car was a 86 ford tempo, maxed out at 85 downhill. Next was my beloved van. full size G20 with a 350 and a nice 4 speed tranny with towing package and limited slip diff. I swung the ass out of that van, did burnouts and donuts, and did 115 in a van. I got my 93 bonneville up to 135, and my buick to about the same. None of my cars cornered real well exept the van which could corner surprisingly well. I was really really bad with my friends in the car ---
**Author:** ![Griff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f19dbf/32.png) [@Griff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Griff)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/66 "2008-01-28T11:44:16Z")
> [@ABC News"](#): > > But less than six hours before the accident, a user who called himself “AmericanM5” logged on to a BMW M-5 online forum asking for advice on how to make the 500-horsepower car go faster. > > Florida newspaper the Star Banner identified the user as 18-year-old Ammirato. > > “The problem is when I’m going pedal to the metal pushing 140 and upshifting, there tends to be thud noise with the gear change,” AmericanM5 wrote in one post, adding, “Let me say I am beginner when it comes to high-performance cars as I am only 18 so take it easy on me.” > > Others on the online forum doubted AmericanM5’s claims of owning such a high-powered BMW at such a young age and warned him to take it slow. > > A member logged in as “M5Froth” wrote, “Its [sic] just disturbing to know, if you’re for real, that an 18 year old who is asking these questions about a 500hp car is driving the same street I am. I don’t have anything against young guys driving nice cars, but an 18 year old behind the wheel of an M5 is what accidents are made of IMO.” > > In his last entry on the forum, posted at 12:33 a.m. Saturday, AmericanM5 wrote, “I completley [sic] understand where you are coming from assuming that I am irresponsible… that is definetly [sic] understandable. I do sometimes make bad decisions but I am young and **I do drive safe and I will not endanger the lives of others** … and I hope you are not under the impression that I am the one to brag, I have never been that way and never will.” :picard: ---
**Author:** ![Zong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zong/32/7580_2.png) [@Zong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zong)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/67 "2008-01-28T12:07:35Z")
God. I wish that thread wasn’t locked. it’s even hard to read it cuz the board’s bandwidth is getting owned soooo hard right now. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/68 "2008-01-28T12:17:11Z")
> [@Griff](#): > > :picard: 👏 Great find. And [m5board.com](http://m5board.com) won’t even load now. They must be getting slammed. Do a search for “AmericanM5” on google and his pre-death posts are all over the interweb now. ---
**Author:** ![Jagermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/69 "2008-01-28T12:27:56Z")
More than likely this is a “fly-in community” where you literally fly your private plane in and drive it right to your house. We stay in a community like this in Daytona Beach for the races. Huge houses with attached plane hangers for garages. If this is the case, you can easily access the runway by simply driving on it. THe planes use the same roads as passenger cars. The security gates are at the entrances to the community but not at the air strip. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/70 "2008-01-28T12:31:14Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#): > > More than likely this is a “fly-in community” where you literally fly your private plane in and drive it right to your house. We stay in a community like this in Daytona Beach for the races. Huge houses with attached plane hangers for garages. > > If this is the case, you can easily access the runway by simply driving on it. THe planes use the same roads as passenger cars. The security gates are at the entrances to the community but not at the air strip. Yep, it was here: [http://www.jumbolair.com/Aviation%20Estates.htm](http://www.jumbolair.com/Aviation%20Estates.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Drexial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Drexial](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Drexial)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/71 "2008-01-28T18:09:53Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Yep, it was here: > [http://www.jumbolair.com/Aviation%20Estates.htm](http://www.jumbolair.com/Aviation%20Estates.htm) Man I don’t know a day would go by if I lived there, that I wouldn’t be tempted. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/72 "2008-01-28T19:07:44Z")
More info here: [http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=124526](http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=124526) ---
**Author:** ![RLB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rlb/32/5196_2.png) [@RLB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RLB)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/73 "2008-01-29T05:37:01Z")
That is bonkers. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/74 "2008-01-29T06:46:32Z")
According to an email I received the kid ran into John Travolta’s Scientology UFO parked at the end of the runway.:gotme: ---
**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/75 "2008-01-29T08:21:38Z")
damnit, I was just going to make a Scientology joke… ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/76 "2008-01-29T08:22:56Z")
> [@66impalass](#): > > damnit, I was just going to make a Scientology joke… There is always room for more Scientology jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/77 "2008-01-29T10:58:53Z")
[http://www.orlandosentinel.com/technology/orl-crash2808jan28,0,3494071.story](http://www.orlandosentinel.com/technology/orl-crash2808jan28,0,3494071.story) Check : [http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111454](http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111454) If you want to sign up, the stop public viewing. ---
**Author:** ![Zong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zong/32/7580_2.png) [@Zong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zong)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/78 "2008-01-29T11:10:48Z")
Tisk tisk Howie… read the previous page ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/79 "2008-01-29T11:11:12Z")
> [@Silly article quote"](#): > > there is no official evidence yet that the car was speeding Orly? ---
**Author:** ![Zong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zong/32/7580_2.png) [@Zong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zong)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488/80 "2008-01-29T11:13:24Z")
The official evidence they want is the blackbox analysis from the car [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-speed-run-ends-very-badly-for-some-idiots/42488.md?page=5)