# Toyota FT-86 / Subaru BRZ / Scion FR-S \*NOW TURBO\* **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [March 5, 2010, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992 "2010-03-05T08:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Garick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8797f3/32.png) [@Garick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Garick)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/141 "2011-12-05T09:50:55Z")
> [@focusinprogress](#): > > Top Gear went to subaru’s test track and took it out on their track for testing, they absolutely RAVED about its handling and dynamics…the article is on Jalopnik [http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/subaru-brz-first-drive-review-2011-12-03](http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/subaru-brz-first-drive-review-2011-12-03) ---
**Author:** ![Juicey\_J](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicey_j/32/5238_2.png) [@Juicey\_J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Juicey_J)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/142 "2011-12-05T16:07:35Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Even if the Genesis has more power it is a larger car, and as we all know in the downhill a large car with more power will overwork the tires. > > ![http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Project-Cars/Project-86/i-vgsWM3j/0/M/FT86-size-M.png](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/9/e/9eed3c189dcf724c186715a3d94da27b1c1cf7f5.png) LOL This guy knows the secrets of the Fujiwara way of drifto!! heavy cars are no good in the downhill just ask zack of the Night kids 😉 ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/143 "2011-12-05T17:39:09Z")
> [@Juicey J](#): > > LOL This guy knows the secrets of the Fujiwara way of drifto!! heavy cars are no good in the downhill just ask zack of the Night kids 😉 It only took three posts for someone to figure it out… > [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > [QUOTE=Onyx Z32;3292418]FT-86 ~ 200hp > BRZ ~ 300hp Subaru can bump up the power all they want, but the Toyota will still be faster in the downhill (“less power is more speed”).[/QUOTE] > [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > > [@Hortanica;3299678](#): > > > > > Another Review > > > > > They have freed car’s electronics (ECU) so aftermarket industry can tune it at its will > > I really hope so, I am very disappointed that the redline is 3500 RPMs early, a real tachometer can help unseal the car’s true potential. > > [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-subaru-brz-sports-car-prototype-drive](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-subaru-brz-sports-car-prototype-drive) > > > [@carANDdriver December 2011](#): > > > > The FB20 flat-four is said to make “200-plus” horsepower, so figure about 210 to 220 with a power peak that feels like it’s at 6500 rpm. The acceleration rush deflates during the extra thousand revs to the indicated **7500-rpm redline.** No doubt because of the direct injection, the flat-four revs far more lustily than any non-turbo Subaru, but the sound—basically that of an Evinrude outboard chasing smallmouth bass—is typical for a Subaru flattie. 3500 + 7500 = 11,000 RPM ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/144 "2011-12-06T08:01:54Z")
> According to Motor Trend editor-in-chief Ed Loh, Subaru has confirmed it will build a turbocharged version of its Toyota-direct-injection FA20 engine (the one in the Subaru BRZ). That’s great news, right? Well, yes. Kind of. > Of course, Subaru has not yet confirmed it will build a corresponding turbocharged BRZ. But since the company has said the BRZ is the only car in its lineup slated to get the FA20 — for the time being — one can only assume that a turbocharged version will power that particular car, no? That’s just straight logic. At least, you know, for the time being. FA20T Swap! ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/145 "2011-12-08T16:02:54Z")
Not setting any downhill records in a car that pushes; [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-scion-fr-s-first-drive-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-scion-fr-s-first-drive-review) > [@carANDdriver](#): > > When asked how the two cars differ, the Scion folks tell us that the BRZ is about stability while the FR-S is about agility. The word “understeer” has surfaced in initial reports on the Subaru BRZ. The Scion doesn’t understeer. Its cornering balance is neutral—bravely neutral for a car that will be sold to young buyers. Scion claims that the only changes to its chassis are slightly softer springs and stiffer dampers. > > Scion has certainly succeeded in making the FR-S agile. From the quick steering to the alert chassis, the FR-S responds to driver input in a way that reminds us of the Honda S2000. Holding the stability control button for three seconds removes the safety net. Although the chassis is neutral, it will slide should you turn the wheel abruptly or stomp on the gas mid-turn. Lift in the middle of a corner, and the rear end will step right out on you. It doesn’t do so in an “I’m going to ruin your life” sort of way; it seems more to say, “Hey, you sure you know what you’re doing?” In low-speed corners, power oversteer is easy to achieve. The tail swings predictably and delicately. The low weight—we estimate it’s around 2800 pounds—means the FR-S regains its composure without any drama. Akio Toyoda says of the FR-S, “[It] responds to good driving skills.” If you don’t have them, you may want to get some training—or leave the stability control on. Young drivers whom Scion courts should know that the FR-S is nothing like the front-drive, nearly error-proof tC. If you don’t know what you’re doing behind the wheel, the FR-S will make you look dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Hortanica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Hortanica](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hortanica)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/146 "2011-12-11T14:39:35Z")
[https://youtu.be/YTCOwX9rQJk](https://youtu.be/YTCOwX9rQJk) [https://youtu.be/imLi9V5lomA](https://youtu.be/imLi9V5lomA) ---
**Author:** ![91MR2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91mr2/32/7217_2.png) [@91MR2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91MR2)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/147 "2011-12-11T18:28:57Z")
Pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/148 "2012-01-04T08:00:26Z")
Turbo FR-S drifting. Video in link: [http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/03/scion-fr-s-turbo-spotted-testing-at-laguna-seca/#continued](http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/03/scion-fr-s-turbo-spotted-testing-at-laguna-seca/#continued) ![http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/01/turbo-scion-fr-s-628.jpg](http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/01/turbo-scion-fr-s-628.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![turbod\_ss](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbod_ss/32/5352_2.png) [@turbod\_ss](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbod_ss)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/149 "2012-01-04T08:18:54Z")
Theres a big article about the car in the Feb DSPORT Mag. its actually quite good. They were hinting about the sti version coming out about a year after the scion version is out. i bet they want to wait and see how the sales goes. And focusinprogress that is awesome looking!! Way better looking!! ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/150 "2012-01-04T09:11:34Z")
The turbo drifting clip was Gushi driving again, I can only assume it’s a combination of promotional filming and testing for the new drift competition car. ---
**Author:** ![klug](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/klug/32/5222_2.png) [@klug](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/klug)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/151 "2012-01-04T16:46:47Z")
> **[Gallery: Lexus reveals LF-LC Sports Coupe Concept](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/detroit-motor-show/gallery-lexus-reveals-lf-lc-sports-coupe-concept)** > > Worried that this year’s Detroit motor show’s going to be full of soporific American nonsense? Panic not, internet, for Lexus has given us this - a rather splendid LF-LC two-plus-two sports coupe concept. Lexus says: “It’s been crafted from a clean... I hope this is based on the same gt86/BRZ platform! ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/152 "2012-01-09T12:06:01Z")
That is supposed to be a larger platform, rumored to be the Lexus/Toyota Supra replacement. > [@Onyx Z32](#): > > Turbo FR-S drifting. Video in link: [Scion FR-S turbo spotted testing at Laguna Seca - Autoblog](http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/03/scion-fr-s-turbo-spotted-testing-at-laguna-seca/#continued) > [@MPD47](#): > > The turbo drifting clip was Gushi driving again, I can only assume it’s a combination of promotional filming and testing for the new drift competition car. And from today: (Photo @ Laguna Seca) > Earlier this morning, Scion sent out some very exciting news about Ken Gushi set to drift the FR-S during the 2012 season. > > “The FR-S is an amazing display of Scion’s ability to produce an affordable performance vehicle. Until now, the Scion tC has been the main platform for motorsports and racing. We’re excited to announce that Scion Racing and GReddy Racing have teamed up to create the ultimate FR-S drift car for the 2012 Formula Drift season! Make sure to keep your eye on Ken Gushi and the Scion Racing team, who will be piloting the FR-S in the upcoming season.” ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/153 "2012-01-09T14:19:15Z")
> **[Scion FR-S drift car looks like 600-horsepower fun - Autoblog](https://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/09/scion-fr-s-drift-car-detroit-2012/)** > > The Scion team is still giddy about the FR-S, and we can't blame them. We were in the mood for 200 horsepower and 2,700 pounds, and the FR-S is ready and willing to tickle our fancy. So it was understandable that Scion didn't have an all-new model to... > The Scion team is still giddy about the FR-S, and we can’t blame them. We were in the mood for 200 horsepower and 2,700 pounds, and the FR-S is ready and willing to tickle our fancy. So it was understandable that Scion didn’t have an all-new model to show us this week at the Detroit Auto Show, but Toyota’s car-loving brand did provide a taste of the FR-S “race” car. > > The drift car isn’t just a fun project. Instead, it’s the result of a partnership between Scion Racing and GReddy, and will compete in the 2012 Formula DRIFT series with veteran driver Ken Gushi. > > We’re guessing that the production FR-S won’t go anywhere near 600 horsepower without some serious aftermarket work, but we’ll at least have this drifter to drool over. Hit the jump to read over Scion’s press release, and be sure to click through the high resolution images of the FR-S race car in the gallery above. ---
**Author:** ![klug](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/klug/32/5222_2.png) [@klug](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/klug)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/154 "2012-01-09T18:59:45Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > That is supposed to be a larger platform, rumored to be the Lexus/Toyota Supra replacement. Gotcha. I remember reading that Lexus would have a version based on a slightly stretched chassis and would be etched as a “baby lf-a”. Either way it’s a gorgeous car and I’m excited to see it in Detroit lol. ---
**Author:** ![iwanagofast1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a9adbd/32.png) [@iwanagofast1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/iwanagofast1)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/155 "2012-04-20T21:20:40Z")
Well now that the production Subaru BRZ and Scion FRS are good to go, Who do you think did a better all-around job with the car? Scion FRS starts at $24,930 the Subaru starts at $25,495. I know that there is already a thread about this:[http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?83201-New-Toyota-FT-86-Subaru-BRZ-Scion-FR-S&highlight=BRZ](http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?83201-New-Toyota-FT-86-Subaru-BRZ-Scion-FR-S&highlight=BRZ) but i couldn’t comment with a poll so here it is ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/156 "2012-04-21T10:02:24Z")
I like the Scion version better, surprisingly. I think Toyota would be wise to start stocking up on GT86 badges though, there will be a lot of “conversions.” ---
**Author:** ![Jeller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@Jeller](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeller)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/157 "2012-04-21T10:07:24Z")
I like the Subie. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/158 "2012-04-25T16:53:50Z")
> **[Performance. Art.](https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/index.html)** > > Discover the adventurous 2018 Subaru BRZ. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/159 "2012-04-26T08:22:02Z")
oh how I’d love to own that 600hp fr-s ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2012, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992/160 "2012-08-18T07:25:48Z")
I’ll never buy one, but an RWD sport compact, cheap shitbox is going to get a big following in the dude-bro, boy racer, sticker loving, Initial D-curb jumping, douche bags out there. Forgive me if there was already a thread, but I kinda see this car making a name for itself. How long has the 240 been out of production? What else is out there in the “4cyl” RWD market? Miata/MX-5? That’s all that comes to mind. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-ft-86-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-now-turbo/79992.md?page=9)