# Toyota outsells GM in 2008 **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 21, 2009, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673 "2009-01-21T08:26:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/1 "2009-01-21T08:26:44Z")
GM said Wednesday it sold 8,355,947 cars and trucks around the world in 2008, falling about 616,000 vehicles short of the 8.972 million Toyota announced Tuesday. [http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Toyota-outsells-GM-apf-14113854.html](http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Toyota-outsells-GM-apf-14113854.html) ---
**Author:** ![OriginalSterm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/originalsterm/32/4964_2.png) [@OriginalSterm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OriginalSterm)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/2 "2009-01-21T08:30:28Z")
GM can lose some ground on total sales if they start making more money per sale. Bottom line is total sales is just for bragging rights, profit is the only thing that really matters. Right now, Toyota is winning both… ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/3 "2009-01-21T08:59:50Z")
Well Toyota is forcasting it’s first operating loss in 71 years for 2009. > **[Toyota forecasts $4.95 billion loss](https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1031354_toyota-forecasts-4-95-billion-loss)** > > Toyota has forecast its first operating loss in 71 years, citing falling demand and an appreciating yen as the key factors leading to its poor performance. Despite predicting late last year that its loss would only amount to ¥150 billion ($1.7... ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/4 "2009-01-21T09:05:50Z")
Didn’t sell enough CTS-Vs huh? Too bad, they are #1 ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/5 "2009-01-21T09:07:05Z")
nothing i didnt expect ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/6 "2009-01-21T09:09:53Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > Well Toyota is forcasting it’s first operating loss in 71 years for 2009. > > [http://www.motorauthority.com/toyota-expected-to-report-first-operating-loss-in-over-65-years.html](http://www.motorauthority.com/toyota-expected-to-report-first-operating-loss-in-over-65-years.html) stay tuned. there are some tricks up their sleeve. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/7 "2009-01-21T09:11:29Z")
They plan for the worst, but I have a feeling Toyota won’t be posting up any losses this year. And IIRC they haven’t had any layoffs either. So :tup::tup::tup::tup::tup: ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/8 "2009-01-21T09:16:01Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > They plan for the worst, but I have a feeling Toyota won’t be posting up any losses this year. And IIRC they haven’t had any layoffs either. So :tup::tup::tup::tup::tup: Toyota is smart. When the gas crisis came, they stopped making Tundras and put their people through training courses instead of laying them off. Not only do the people get more experience and better at what they do, but Toyota isn’t stuck with 500,000 trucks on the ground that they can’t sell. Unlike Chevy, who started pumping more out. ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/9 "2009-01-21T09:17:35Z")
Go Ford ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/10 "2009-01-21T09:18:17Z")
Ford is awesome. Easily my favorite of the big 3. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/11 "2009-01-21T09:20:49Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > Didn’t sell enough CTS-Vs huh? Too bad, they are #1 CTS-Vs were not available until late December and in very low quantities. But even at expected yearly volume it would not have made up the deficit. With the margin being so close last year this was expected. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/12 "2009-01-21T09:29:41Z")
> [@Beck](#): > > Toyota is smart. When the gas crisis came, they stopped making Tundras and put their people through training courses instead of laying them off. Not only do the people get more experience and better at what they do, but Toyota isn’t stuck with 500,000 trucks on the ground that they can’t sell. > > Unlike Chevy, who started pumping more out. Well GM trucks increased their market share and only fell 24% in sales where Toyota lost market share and had a 30% decline in sales. Toyota probably stopped making them because they projected 200,000 trucks and knew they were going to be no where close. Not sure what GM projected, but I do know there was a large increase in trucks in 4Q, so plant shut downs in 3Q might not have been the best idea. > **[Pickup Trucks for Sale Near Me | Cars.com](https://www.cars.com/trucks/)** > > Search trucks for sale, research truck models and read the latest truck news at Cars.com. ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/13 "2009-01-21T12:06:04Z")
> [@OriginalSterm](#): > > GM can lose some ground on total sales if they start making more money per sale. Bottom line is total sales is just for bragging rights, profit is the only thing that really matters. Right now, Toyota is winning both… Agreed. For those who don’t think Toyota won’t post a loss anytime soon needs to read up a little more on your financial news. The Yen keeps gaining strength against the USD and EURO that in itself is bad news for all Japaneese auto makers. I would be surprised if Toyota Doesn’t post a loss for Q1 in '09. ---
**Author:** ![IanK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iank/32/5016_2.png) [@IanK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IanK)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/14 "2009-01-21T12:09:45Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > Didn’t sell enough CTS-Vs huh? Too bad, they are #1 :mamoru: THIS IS VERY DISAPPOINTING CTS-V \< all ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/15 "2009-01-21T12:10:52Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > :mamoru: THIS IS VERY DISAPPOINTING CTS-S \< all What is a CTS-S anyway? Maybe the S stands for self-parking so it doesn’t need valets. :gotme: ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/16 "2009-01-21T12:11:52Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > CTS-Vs were not available until late December and in very low quantities. > But even at expected yearly volume it would not have made up the deficit. > > With the margin being so close last year this was expected. +(imaginary)Karma for you answering this question seriously ---
**Author:** ![IanK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iank/32/5016_2.png) [@IanK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IanK)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/17 "2009-01-21T12:12:06Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > Well GM trucks increased their market share and only fell 24% in sales where Toyota lost market share and had a 30% decline in sales. Toyota probably stopped making them because they projected 200,000 trucks and knew they were going to be no where close. Not sure what GM projected, but I do know there was a large increase in trucks in 4Q, so plant shut downs in 3Q might not have been the best idea. > > [http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/01/2008-year-end-t.html](http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/01/2008-year-end-t.html) Why in a state of economic decline would there be in increase in trucks ? thats idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/18 "2009-01-21T12:12:52Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > Why in a state of economic decline would there be in increase in trucks ? thats idiocy. Not only is it idiocy, it is the American way. ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/19 "2009-01-21T12:13:39Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > Why in a state of economic decline would there be in increase in trucks ? thats idiocy. Speaking of idiocy, where do you see an incline is truck sales in that spread sheet? ---
**Author:** ![IanK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iank/32/5016_2.png) [@IanK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IanK)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673/20 "2009-01-21T12:14:41Z")
> [@rj-92](#): > > What is a CTS-S anyway? Maybe the S stands for self-parking so it doesn’t need valets. :gotme: Its a typo in my excitement and incomprehensible love for the greatest car on the planet. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-outsells-gm-in-2008/61673.md?page=2)