# Toyota smear campaign? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 9, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153 "2010-02-09T21:08:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/21 "2010-02-10T06:55:28Z")
Beck for engineer of the week :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/22 "2010-02-10T06:55:34Z")
Toyota screwed up big time; this is a HUGE news story. You could make the argument that there is a conflict of interest when the transportation secretary comes out and says _“don’t drive these (Toyota) vehicles”_ since he works for the government and the government “owns” GM. [(which he retracted)](http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/02/toyota-recall-transportation-secretary-ray-lahood-advises-owners-not-to-drive-their-cars/1) But considering everything Toyota is dealing with, it’s doesn’t matter either way. We’ll have to wait to see how this effects them in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/23 "2010-02-10T07:42:07Z")
Based on the news coverage I would assume at least 10,000 people were murdered by Toyota. What is the total number killed so far? ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/24 "2010-02-10T08:29:58Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > ^Speaking of that I am going to call the lean mfg consultant that bragged about Toyota all of the time. lol Thats EVERY lean consultant… you will have to be more specific. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/25 "2010-02-10T08:42:39Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Based on the news coverage I would assume at least 10,000 people were murdered by Toyota. What is the total number killed so far? From November last year: > NHTSA said its records now show that a total of 15 people died in crashes related to possible sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles from the 2002 model year or newer, compared with 11 such deaths in vehicles made by all other automakers. > **[Report: Toyota, Lexus Sudden Acceleration Tied to 19 Deaths](https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2009/11/09/105173.htm)** > > Over 1,000 Toyota and Lexus owners have reported sudden, spontaneous acceleration of their vehicles since 2001, including crashes blamed for 19 deaths, But you also have to consider they are only selling roughly 16% of the cars during that time. So that 15 cars is ~715% of the industry average. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/26 "2010-02-10T09:43:24Z")
It’s big news because the company that basically defined modern quality control fucked up so badly they had to completely shut down manufacturing. Business schools will be studying this for decades. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/27 "2010-02-10T09:44:08Z")
…“NHTSA said…possible sudden”… I guess its “possible” that every crash was caused by this. Well I mean except Government Motors cars of course. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/28 "2010-02-10T10:25:33Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > From November last year: > > [Report: Toyota, Lexus Sudden Acceleration Tied to 19 Deaths](http://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2009/11/09/105173.htm) > > But you also have to consider they are only selling roughly 16% of the cars during that time. So that 15 cars is ~715% of the industry average. Those 15 were from people stacking floormats. There have been 5 incidents of where the pedal materials are sticking and causing sudden acceleration, and 0 people have died. I don’t see why the floormats are Toyota’s gig, but they are taking care of it regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/29 "2010-02-10T10:28:25Z")
> [@bing](#): > > even the most devote toyota-humpers have to agree that the jury is still out on this whole thing… no one knows with any level of certainty what the problem is and what the fix is. If you saw the way this shim fit into the pedal assembly, you’d be shocked. It’s almost as if it should have been there the whole time. The way it lines up and there are little lips on the assembly that holds it in place. Either way, everyone I’ve talked to ~ 500 Toyota owners are “meh” about the whole thing. Couldn’t care less and will continue driving/buying Toyota’s. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/30 "2010-02-10T10:31:17Z")
> [@Beck](#): > > If you saw the way this shim fit into the pedal assembly, you’d be shocked. It’s almost as if it should have been there the whole time. The way it lines up and there are little lips on the assembly that holds it in place. Almost like it was engineered that way! ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/31 "2010-02-10T10:32:02Z")
> [@Beck](#): > > Those 15 were from people stacking floormats. There have been 5 incidents of where the pedal materials are sticking and causing sudden acceleration, and 0 people have died. But the nhtsa said… > > I don’t see why the floormats are Toyota’s gig, but they are taking care of it regardless. See: Audi and the US media in the 1980s . ---
**Author:** ![Skurge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skurge/32/7285_2.png) [@Skurge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Skurge)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/32 "2010-02-10T11:04:26Z")
> [@Beck](#): > > Those 15 were from people stacking floormats. There have been 5 incidents of where the pedal materials are sticking and causing sudden acceleration, and 0 people have died. > > I don’t see why the floormats are Toyota’s gig, but they are taking care of it regardless. i was just about to post this actually, there really hasn’t been many cases at all, i think a few hundred came forward and said thats what happened to them, but only 5 were actually that problem… and the way i look at it, toyota is doing right by this, only 5 cases and they are already recalling them all, thats a stand up job if i’ve ever seen one. look at how many explorers burned for no reason, or durango’s wheels fell off before they issues recalls > [@Beck](#): > > If you saw the way this shim fit into the pedal assembly, you’d be shocked. It’s almost as if it should have been there the whole time. The way it lines up and there are little lips on the assembly that holds it in place. > > Either way, everyone I’ve talked to ~ 500 Toyota owners are “meh” about the whole thing. Couldn’t care less and will continue driving/buying Toyota’s. :tup: yea toyota owners are nuts about their cars, i really dont think this will change much, they will still have their customer base ---
**Author:** ![double\_j](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/double_j/32/7380_2.png) [@double\_j](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/double_j)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/33 "2010-02-10T11:36:16Z")
Will this mean the resale values of Toyotas will go down? I’d really like a Tacoma, but used ones are way overpriced. ---
**Author:** ![Viper966](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/viper966/32/7268_2.png) [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/34 "2010-02-10T12:23:33Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > It’s news because Toyota pulled a Tiger Woods and spun a stupid lie instead of getting the problem out in the open and moving on. First they said no problem, then blamed floor mats, then they said it was just some binding at the far end of pedal travel that they could solve with a little shim. Now more agencies and owners are claiming the problem may be more complicated and have something to do with the electronic throttle. Plus, before the shim recall design was released Toyota was claiming the pedal would stick gradually and start returning slowly before it stuck. That implies a resistance along the entire travel of the pedal, something a shim that stops the last 1/16th of an inch or so will do nothing to address. > > So yeah, I think it’s news worthy. Jay, i think you got your facts a bit messed up… Auto blog has done a good job covering this. > **[Toyota Recall News and Safety Alerts - Autoblog](http://www.autoblog.com/toyota/recalls/)** > > Has your Toyota vehicle been recalled for a safety defect? Get the latest news and information from NHTSA and automakers on recent auto recalls. The pedal recall, and the Shim recalls are two separate recalls The pedal recall addresses the misshaped floor mats by grinding down the pedal, this is only on certain cars… the SHIM, is actually a spring, to return the pedal back up to its full position ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/35 "2010-02-10T20:03:48Z")
> [@double j](#): > > Will this mean the resale values of Toyotas will go down? I’d really like a Tacoma, but used ones are way overpriced. KBB already has them down about 2.5-3%, with a possibility of dropping more, depending on how the recalls are handled. ---
**Author:** ![rex2nr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rex2nr/32/5462_2.png) [@rex2nr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rex2nr)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/36 "2010-02-11T06:51:52Z")
^ That’s what I’m more worried about, not that I’m planning on selling my taco anytime soon. They aren’t even effected by any of the recalls and the values are already dropping. The good thing though is it may place the prices back in check. When I bought mine in March of 07, the used trucks were only ~5 grand cheaper than brand new. That’s comparing a 3yr old truck with 40-50K on it to a brand new vehicle, same options, sticker price to sticker price. Kills any thought of refinancing, resale value… ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/37 "2010-02-23T13:06:17Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Plus, before the shim recall design was released Toyota was claiming the pedal would stick gradually and start returning slowly before it stuck. That implies a resistance along the entire travel of the pedal, something a shim that stops the last 1/16th of an inch or so will do nothing to address. > [@Beck](#): > > The shim works because it seperates the two parts enough to where it doesn’t wear. It doesn’t stop/constrict the movement of anything. Is it the right fix? I don’t know, but it seems to work pretty well and make sense. :gotme: > Toyota: Recalls won’t totally fix gas pedal issues [http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/02/23/965938/driver-recalls-6-miles-of-highway.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/02/23/965938/driver-recalls-6-miles-of-highway.html) Or maybe it only works some of the time Beck. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![silverionus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/silverionus/32/5301_2.png) [@silverionus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverionus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/38 "2010-02-26T20:24:32Z")
well about toyotas recalls. the whole reason this blew up is a guy died doing 120, but they sometimes forget to say he was a cop and called 911 for help. then he could even try to put the car in nutruel or turn it off(thats jus dumb). there has only been a few accidents and some of them was because of stacking floormats. people r sayin, first it was the floor mats, then its the pedals, now its electrical toyota doesnt know what there talkin about. well first the floormats are a known problem, happens all the time to all car makes, the second the shim fix’s the pedal sticking to the ground. (pedal is an american part, that also ford and other car companies have, so itll be fun to see what other companies do when it happens to them.) and the third electrical issues were not done by studys jus, american companies sayin it could be so chek it out. as one person said the goverment it smearing toyota how else are they gonna get there money back from gm, easy smash toyota so that they can manage there sales. also not to mention honda has recalls right now. gm has recalls out for new cars, no one is saying anything about that. but time will tell and we will see what hapens. o and if anyone has any questions, i work for toyota so if i can answer something give me a shout. and im not only into toyotas i like all cars, i jus go by the facts and over the years the trends of cars, and the way there going. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/39 "2010-02-26T20:51:36Z")
> [@silverionus](#): > > o and if anyone has any questions, i work for toyota so if i can answer something give me a shout. Sounds like you’ve got some interesting inside info… ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153/40 "2010-02-26T21:27:03Z")
you know what… i sorta do feel like there is a valid counter-point here when discussing how all the other companies having recalls do not result in congressional hearings… and yeah the GOV being staked in GM does pose an interest conflict of interest. There is meat in those points for sure imho, but i don’t think it matters. However, it did occur to me how incredible it would be if Toyota came right out with a big FU and called the GOV out on it and refused services or response to the GOV until the other manufacturers were held to a similar standard. Toyota needs to not be a pussy here… they are a large enough employer to scare the living shit out of ALOT of cities that would evaporate if they played hardball here… i’d like to see that to be honest. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/toyota-smear-campaign/79153.md?page=3)