# Traditional Americans are losing their nation. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 20, 2009, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105 "2009-10-20T11:33:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/41 "2009-10-21T08:22:48Z")
> [@A.J.](#): > > I will continue to be proud of my heritage and where I come from. Maybe it is time Americans stop being lazy assholes and realize that other people in this world are willing to work harder then you to feed their families I love McCarthy types attacking immigrants working cheaper than them. Or the guy that rants about how we have to be capitalists. And he makes way to much money at some stupid government job. God I love the lazy road crew guy that makes what I will as a teacher after I got a masters. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/42 "2009-10-21T09:24:00Z")
he changed his tune towards the end of his life, but he wasnt the only one who shared this view. Although him and thomas jeferson disagreed on many things, jeferson also warned that democracy created kings. > [@Fry](#): > > You’re such an academic. 🙂 > > Oh, and Hamilton also thought that making it illegal to criticize the government would prevent party politics and create national unity. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/43 "2009-10-21T09:29:39Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#): > > he changed his tune towards the end of his life, but he wasnt the only one who shared this view. Although him and thomas jeferson disagreed on many things, jeferson also warned that democracy created kings. Ah, I see. I’m only about halfway through a biography of Madison. :roflpicard: A couple more and I’ll probably start seeing things your way. (And I meant the academic thing mostly as a compliment. For some reason I’ve turned into an american history nerd lately. I’ll catch up and we’ll have some beers and laugh about what this country is supposed to be.) ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/44 "2009-10-21T09:58:30Z")
I may have been completely wrong and said madison and actually meant jefferson, you start to mix all of them up after reading so much about them, and i dont mean that as an excuse, you really will start to mix them up. Ya now that I think of it i probably was thinking of strictly jefferson. But i do know for a fact that several of them warned against a democracy and knew that the idea of majority rule did not mean freedom in the least bit. One thing we must remember is that freedom, is the absence of government intervention. Next time you hear a politician talking about more freedom for this group of for that group, ask yourself if he is advocating more government intervention or less. In the words of Ron Paul, “many politicians use the word freedom quite often, yet so few of them know the simple meaning of the word”. If your reading biographies, make sure you read the 5000 year leap, it simplifies the federalist and anti federalist papers and does a near perfect job of outlining how the country came to be. really good article to read if you have the time > **[Democracy Isn't Freedom - LewRockwell](https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/02/ron-paul/democracy-isnt-freedom/)** > > Democracy Is Not Freedom by Rep. Ron Paul, MD by Rep. Ron Paul, MD man is not free unless government is limited. There’s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts. ~... > [@Fry](#): > > Ah, I see. I’m only about halfway through a biography of Madison. :roflpicard: A couple more and I’ll probably start seeing things your way. > > (And I meant the academic thing mostly as a compliment. For some reason I’ve turned into an american history nerd lately. I’ll catch up and we’ll have some beers and laugh about what this country is supposed to be.) ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/45 "2009-10-21T10:05:12Z")
> [@A.J.](#): > > I will continue to be proud of my heritage and where I come from. Maybe it is time Americans stop being lazy assholes and realize that other people in this world are willing to work harder then you to feed their families So this is rather confusing. What are you trying to imply? From what I gather you are of Mexican heritage and you think the ILLEGAL ALIENS that are going around waving MEXICAN flags deserve some sort of sympathy in regards to citizenship? I’m sorry but I call that being a jerk off. If you are trying to bring awareness to your cause and protest something that involves immigration and citizenship waving around a MEXICAN flag versus the AMERICAN flag is the completely wrong fucking way to go about it PERIOD. That ranks up there with the idiots that try and protest things and can’t even spell what they are protesting correctly, which results in no one taking them seriously. EDIT: To clarify the jerk off comment, I was refering to the people waving around flags of a different country, not A.J. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/46 "2009-10-21T11:10:17Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#): > > really good article to read if you have the time > > [Democracy Isn't Freedom - LewRockwell](http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul233.html) :tup: good read. ---
**Author:** ![OfficerK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@OfficerK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OfficerK)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/47 "2009-10-21T11:21:41Z")
Freedom only really exists in Utopia ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/48 "2009-10-21T11:41:58Z")
I always thought the democrats were sore losers during the 8 years of Bush but damn…after 9 months of Obama the republicans definitely take the cake. ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/49 "2009-10-21T11:57:17Z")
i find that republicans make shit up, ommit very important details, and just outright lie a whole lot more than libs. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/50 "2009-10-21T11:58:30Z")
The mere fact that this subject has been discussed more and more frequently in the last two years to me suggests that something is going on and happening. Enough to upset the general public. Whether this is something of main stream media causing the issue or not, the fact is something whether big or small is going on and the reason that there is controversy is because neither side can agree on just what it is. ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/51 "2009-10-21T11:59:25Z")
HAH! It was james madison that warned against democracy not hamilton, i told you i mix them up, what with their crazy antique names and all. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/52 "2009-10-21T12:40:19Z")
> [@Carnut](#): > > The mere fact that this subject has been discussed more and more frequently in the last two years to me suggests that something is going on and happening. Enough to upset the general public. Whether this is something of main stream media causing the issue or not, the fact is something whether big or small is going on and the reason that there is controversy is because neither side can agree on just what it is. Can’t argue with that. Apathy would be the end. > [@97\_B18b1](#): > > HAH! It was james madison that warned against democracy not hamilton, i told you i mix them up, what with their crazy antique names and all. Interesting. I suppose democracy would subject the minority to the tyranny of the majority, while the constitution was intended to protect the individual liberties of all. Hrm… ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/53 "2009-10-21T12:52:53Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Interesting. I suppose democracy would subject the minority to the tyranny of the majority, while the constitution was intended to protect the individual liberties of all. Hrm… IMO, that is one of the most important things to remember in a democracy and guard against. That is why a lot of people are unhappy with the way the nation is today. ---
**Author:** ![khoveraki](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/khoveraki/32/5131_2.png) [@khoveraki](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/khoveraki)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/54 "2009-10-21T12:53:42Z")
waa waa Some people simply need more hobbies. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/55 "2009-10-21T13:04:13Z")
> [@khoveraki](#): > > waa waa > > Some people simply need more boobies. That’s how I first read that. Either way, :tup: ---
**Author:** ![khoveraki](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/khoveraki/32/5131_2.png) [@khoveraki](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/khoveraki)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/56 "2009-10-21T13:12:41Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > That’s how I first read that. Either way, :tup: :bigclap: if only people would focus on sports and boobs we wouldn’t be in this mess! ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/57 "2009-10-21T13:44:31Z")
I really can not argue with that. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/58 "2009-10-21T14:06:39Z")
:grouphug: Beer & boobies, uniting mankind since 10,000 BC. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/59 "2009-10-21T20:26:27Z")
unless ur at a bills game, then they are a recipe for bathroom rape. Anyways, yes not your really really starting to understand. And once people start to really accept the fact that weve basically been brainwashed into believing that democracy is not freedom, it is very easy to see all the other things that we have been easily brainwashed into believing. > [@Fry](#): > > :grouphug: > > Beer & boobies, uniting mankind since 10,000 BC. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105/60 "2009-10-21T22:19:08Z")
Profound thread is profound. I have my views and criticisms like the next guy but I really am far too lazy to type it all out. Typical? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/75105.md?page=2)