# Unique vs. Functional **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268 "2009-10-23T12:36:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/21 "2009-10-23T13:18:20Z")
Some people like a challenge and like working on cars. Newman’s BMW bastard child project is a great example. I doubt he would have undertaken that project if he didn’t like the engineering challenges that it entailed. I’m pretty sure there are BMW motors he could have put in there that would have made the car just as quick for far less headache. But, when his project is done, he’ll be able to park that thing next to a BMW with BMW power that might have the same performance and everyone will be checking out his car while no one notices the BMW powered BMW. There is something to be said here about being unique. All that said, I’d much rather drive so give me a simple way to make power and have it be reliable any day. AKA, yank out rotary/bmw motor/4 cyl anything and insert LS2/T56 combo. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/22 "2009-10-23T13:18:24Z")
I think that no matter what, we are all losing a lot of fucking money that we could be spending on much better and more enjoyable things. ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/23 "2009-10-23T13:21:43Z")
> [@boardjnky4"](#): > > Another post said something along the lines of that the person would prefer an NA 300zx over a turbo-honda (year 2000) because it’s unique and different or something. Not only would a turbo civic pull buses, but you could also make them handle pretty decent (At least as well as a z32). I know it’s FWD, but still. NA z32s are horribly slow and can’t really be made fast without a turbo engine swap. rofl It was me that said that! The reason why is because I see Hondas as boring because everyone and their mother has/had modded one. I’m not looking at it from a speed standpoint. I don’t care which is faster for cheaper, I would still rather have that N/A 300zx over a turbo Honda any day. Sorry if that offends you. :wiggle: ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/24 "2009-10-23T13:22:46Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Some people like a challenge and like working on cars. Right, harvbio05 and I spent HOURS looking at the wiring harness of the sr20 and s10 figuring shit out just to get it to run. Ugh, I want to go work on it right now, but thats not happening for atleast 6 months ☹ ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/25 "2009-10-23T13:23:18Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > I think that no matter what, we are all losing a lot of fucking money that we could be spending on much better and more enjoyable things. amen to that man. I fucking LOVE to :burnout: though ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/26 "2009-10-23T13:25:25Z")
> [@glitch](#): > > rofl > > It was me that said that! > > The reason why is because I see Hondas as boring because everyone and their mother has/had modded one. > > I’m not looking at it from a speed standpoint. I don’t care which is faster, I would still rather have that N/A 300zx over turbo Honda any day. > > Sorry if that offends you. :wiggle: nothing offends me, really. But WHY the 300zx? They are slow!!! Also, I hardly ever go to car shows too. I seriously just love ENJOYING my drive to and from work, and around town. ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/27 "2009-10-23T13:27:50Z")
If everyone went the cheapest route… the automotive world would be boring as fuck. BTW, you seem pretty upset to me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/28 "2009-10-23T13:28:05Z")
Another example of a retarded swap: 2JZ into a BMW M5 > [@glitch](#): > > If everyone went the cheapest route… the automotive world would be boring as fuck. BTW, you seem pretty upset to me. explain… ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/29 "2009-10-23T13:29:06Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > I think that no matter what, we are all losing a lot of fucking money that we could be spending on much better and more enjoyable things. > I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars - the rest I just squandered. > **George Best** I’m with this guy. :sario: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/30 "2009-10-23T13:29:34Z")
> [@glitch](#): > > If everyone went the cheapest route… the automotive world would be boring as fuck. BTW, you seem pretty upset to me. 🙂 What’s wrong with every car having an LSx? ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/31 "2009-10-23T13:30:13Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > Another example of a retarded swap: > > 2JZ into a BMW M5 > > explain… lol, but that swap was truly amazing. Also was that a shop that did that? It’s pretty smart for a performance shop to showcase their skills by doing something like that. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/32 "2009-10-23T13:32:10Z")
It took a lot of skill, sure, and it’s definitely a nice showcase for a 2JZ shop. That doesn’t mean it’s not retarded though. The stock motor in that car isn’t exactly a slouch lol ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/33 "2009-10-23T13:32:15Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > Another example of a retarded swap: > > 2JZ into a BMW M5 Why is a car making gobs more oomph with a different powertrain retarded? ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/34 "2009-10-23T13:35:17Z")
> [@TrueBlue](#): > > Why is a car making gobs more oomph with a different powertrain retarded? I assume (without knowing much about it), that with the amount of shop time, and money that was spent, the stock powertrain could have done pretty well on its own. ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/35 "2009-10-23T13:39:55Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > [QUOTE=glitch;1504358]If everyone went the cheapest route… the automotive world would be boring as fuck. explain…[/QUOTE] If everyone traded in their 300zx’s or whatever else they had for a Honda because they can go faster for cheaper, that would be really gay and boring. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/36 "2009-10-23T13:46:24Z")
Every “common” swap at one point wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/37 "2009-10-23T13:48:01Z")
most were done with the purpose being to go faster though ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/38 "2009-10-23T13:56:04Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > most were done with the purpose being to go faster though Yep, but you can’t tell me when after blowing his rotary in an FD for the 3rd time a guy said, “fuck it, I’m dropping an LS2 in here”, his friends didn’t say the same thing you’re saying about “why, there are already proven ways to go fast that are easier”. The first guy to do it was dropping GM stuff into a Mazda. Not just a Mazda either, a weird rotard powered one. To be the first I’m sure it wasn’t easy. But he persisted, it caught on, and now the LS2/FD swap is a well documented and supported way to go fast and have fun. Hence, my simple, “Every common swap at one point wasn’t” comment. ---
**Author:** ![Saxon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@Saxon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Saxon)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/39 "2009-10-23T14:07:04Z")
weird, i was about to start a thread similar to this as i have a friend who wants to go and build an all out turbo d series and his only reasons were he thought it was cheaper and he wanted to be original instead of going with a piston/rod b series (what i call a cookie cutter combo) i showed him these graphs and asked what power output he would rather have ![http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2559/4035831752_c9aa4eb924.jpg](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2559/4035831752_c9aa4eb924.jpg) ![http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/4035077089_4369368e9f_o.jpg](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/4035077089_4369368e9f_o.jpg) the top one is a prett built d series with a tomount 30r on pump gas (19psi) the second one is bone stock gsr with a ramhorn 57 trim on pump gas (16psi) the b series is cheaper for that comparison and has been running 3 years on that same tune and here is a b series with the same turbo as the D and its sleaved etc ![http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2521/4036828045_e3b563a026_o.jpg](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2521/4036828045_e3b563a026_o.jpg) he still insists on the d series as he says he would rather do it to be original, but in my opinion why modify the car to be fast if your not going to do it the best you can with the amount of money you have ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268/40 "2009-10-23T14:07:36Z")
The only reason I could think of doing a unique swap would be because I already had a Motor from X, and a Shell from Y. Sure you could sell motor from X and buy a better fitting one. but lets be honest that’s just a pain in the ass, and having to worry about the motor being actually intact. heaven forbid you trade for a motor and find out it has bent cylinders (f’n B-series) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/unique-vs-functional/75268.md?page=3)