# Up to $100,000,000.00 for storm clean up?????? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 19, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036 "2006-10-19T17:18:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/21 "2006-10-20T07:51:59Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > If you read the other thread you would have seen that I said that the people in DC control the weather.\:biglaugh: damn republicans…they suck at the weather control. al gore’s machine probably works much better ---
**Author:** ![dozr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@dozr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dozr)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/22 "2006-10-20T07:54:24Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#): > > that’s exactly what i was getting at. > > For example: > > Hourly rate of laborer…$20 > fringe/benefits (79% rate/hr)…$15.80 > insurance (35%/hr)…$7 > Overtime Premium at 17%…$7.25 > > Regular = $42.80/hr > Overtime = $50.05/hr > > BEFORE LABOR MARKUP… add 35% for company profit and your looking at a $20/hr job costing the consumer $67.50/hr on OT. > > Now add in: > Cost of Living Buffalo (Davis Bacon rate)…$65/day per person > Materials/consumables (i.e saftey equipment)… ~$5/day per person > > it all adds up very quickly and this is just for Labor… **now factor in equipment costs (including maintanence and fuel)** > > EDIT: Go to any auto service station and you’ll see the hourly rate is $70/hr (minimum)… does this mean the guys working on your car or getting $70/hr? no. Finally, someone with a brain! ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/23 "2006-10-20T08:17:34Z")
LAFENGAS is probably correct. What a total f\*\*king rip-off! There is still no way it should cost $100 million though. I would be surprised if it was $50 million + $1 million in Joel’s pocket = $51 million. ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/24 "2006-10-20T08:21:25Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > He probably blames the storm on NAMBLA and Hillary. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > [@AWDrifter](#): > > I would be surprised if it was $50 million + $1 million in Joel’s pocket = $51 million. well he has fucked us over enough already why not keep going? ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/25 "2006-10-20T08:26:08Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > LAFENGAS is probably correct. > What a total f\*\*king rip-off! > There is still no way it should cost $100 million though. > I would be surprised if it was $50 million + $1 million in Joel’s pocket = $51 million. Not really a rip off considering there are people coming in from all over the country. They have to stay somewhere, and that cost gets past to the City/County/Town. Not to mention they’re working 12+ hour shifts in pretty shitty conditions, 7 days a week. But if you and your friends want to get insured, licensed and put in a bid for $10/hr you’re more than welcome to. The extent of the clean up necessary is amazing. Parks, etc… you know the areas with big fucking trees. ---
**Author:** ![Locutus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/locutus/32/7574_2.png) [@Locutus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Locutus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/26 "2006-10-20T08:40:01Z")
whats per deim in buffalo per day per worker… unless they are doing actualls… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/27 "2006-10-20T08:59:32Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > Not really a rip off considering there are people coming in from all over the country. They have to stay somewhere, and that cost gets past to the City/County/Town. Not to mention they’re working 12+ hour shifts in pretty shitty conditions, 7 days a week. But if you and your friends want to get insured, licensed and put in a bid for $10/hr you’re more than welcome to. > > The extent of the clean up necessary is amazing. Parks, etc… you know the areas with big fucking trees. I hear you but if it reaches $50+million there has got to be some serious price gouging. I have not heard any real time estimates but with all the talk of people coming from all over it shouldn’t take too long. On the radio today I did hear Giambra say, “50-100 million JUST TO CLEAN UP THE BRUSH”. With 3000 people it should not take long at all. I don’t care how you slice it, that is fucking ridiculous for brush removal. ---
**Author:** ![LAFENGAS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lafengas/32/7573_2.png) [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/28 "2006-10-20T09:03:26Z")
i’m gonna have fun with this. **Daily Rates: (EQUAL TAKE HOME PAY, EQUAL COMPANY PROFIT)** …Union\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Non-Union **Std. $57.78 … $36.45** **OT. $85.96 …$52.25** **12 Hr Day Union= $806.08/person per day** **NON-union = $500.60/person per day** **2000 union workers = $1,612,160.00 per day** **2000 NON-union workers= $1,001,200.00 per day** **x 1 week (7 Days)** **Union= $11,285,120.00 Non-Union= $7,008,400.00** **So, just for making the laborers non-union…you save $4,276,720.00 a week. (using $20/hr as the hourly rate)** **yet the workers take home the same pay and the company makes the same profit.** ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/29 "2006-10-20T09:11:17Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > With 3000 people it should not take long at all. > I don’t care how you slice it, that is fucking ridiculous for brush removal. Your looking at it wrong, you think just because its brush removal that it should be cheap but its not. Like Joe said, they brought people in from all over the country to help, hell I saw Canadian trucks last night, they are working 12 hour shifts, plus the costs of maintaining the equipment (those trucks aren’t cheap and I’m sure a few will break down). That costs money. To be honest I’m not suprised by the number at all, given the extent of the damage. ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/30 "2006-10-20T09:13:15Z")
> [@Locutus](#): > > whats per deim in buffalo per day per worker… unless they are doing actualls… 🙂 mil its like 57 bucks ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/31 "2006-10-20T10:23:04Z")
It doesn’t surprise me. Nor would it surprise me if they didn’t give us Federal aide for the costs. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/32 "2006-10-20T10:47:18Z")
We need a chain-gang, or should I say chainsaw-gang?:biglaugh: Unemployment in Erie County better be ZERO while this clean up is going on. People are getting paid to sit in their nice, warm and cozy homes right now. ---
**Author:** ![RedDawg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@RedDawg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedDawg)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/33 "2006-10-20T11:41:12Z")
if they plan on replacing any of large trees that were knocked down that will be expensive also. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/34 "2006-10-20T13:10:45Z")
Forget about $100 million, now its over $150 million according to Joel and that does not include city of Buffalo costs. ---
**Author:** ![dozr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@dozr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dozr)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/35 "2006-10-20T13:16:09Z")
I think a lot of the restaurant and hospitality industry might actually make a ton during this though… ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/36 "2006-10-20T13:28:53Z")
Yeah, strangely enough this could help the local economy. Think of all the generator $ale$. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/37 "2006-10-20T14:24:09Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#): > > that’s exactly what i was getting at. > > For example: > > Hourly rate of laborer…$20 > fringe/benefits (79% rate/hr)…$15.80 > insurance (35%/hr)…$7 > SHIFT Premium at 17%…$7.25 > Overtime…@50% std pay + SP…$13.63 > > Regular = $42.80/hr > Overtime = $63.68/hr > > BEFORE LABOR MARKUP… add 35% for company profit and your looking at a $20/hr job costing the consumer $85.96/hr on OT. > > Now add in: > Cost of Living Buffalo (Davis Bacon rate)…$65/day per person > Materials/consumables (i.e saftey equipment)… ~$5/day per person > > it all adds up very quickly and this is just for Labor… **now factor in equipment costs (including maintanence and fuel)** > > EDIT: Go to any auto service station and you’ll see the hourly rate is $70/hr (minimum)… does this mean the guys working on your car or getting $70/hr? no. > > EDIT: [size=2]added Shift Premium for working 2nd shift, i screwed up and listed the 17% as Overtime pay. Overtime Pay has been added[/size] :word: this is isnt cheap. The overhead is VERY expensive. ---
**Author:** ![Z\_PHAT\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/z_phat_z/32/7293_2.png) [@Z\_PHAT\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Z_PHAT_Z)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/38 "2006-10-20T14:58:47Z")
Joe just said estimate $150 mil today on TV. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/39 "2006-10-20T15:01:41Z")
^Read post 34. ---
**Author:** ![Z\_PHAT\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/z_phat_z/32/7293_2.png) [@Z\_PHAT\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Z_PHAT_Z)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/up-to-100-000-000-00-for-storm-clean-up/19036/40 "2006-10-20T15:22:02Z")
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