# Verizons new friends, family, and NSA plan... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 6, 2013, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043 "2013-06-06T07:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/81 "2015-01-06T07:02:11Z")
This is also cute > **[FBI says search warrants not needed to use “stingrays” in public places](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/fbi-says-search-warrants-not-needed-to-use-stringrays-in-public-places/)** > > Feds' position on decoy cell-site towers continues anti-privacy theme. FBI decided they don’t need a warrant if you’re using your cell phone in a public place ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/82 "2015-01-06T07:10:00Z")
Would you be ok with this if it meant a decreased phone bill? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/83 "2015-01-06T07:12:21Z")
> [@ProgRocker](#): > > Would you be ok with this if it meant a decreased phone bill? No ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/84 "2015-01-06T07:28:57Z")
Seems like this blatantly violates the fourth amendment no? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/85 "2015-01-06T07:30:47Z")
Pretty much because as an individual you can’t capture WiFi out in a public place ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/86 "2015-01-06T07:33:46Z")
Also what can the average user do to protect their data/traffic on mobile devices? ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/87 "2015-01-06T11:22:20Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > This is also cute > > [FBI says search warrants not needed to use “stingrays” in public places | Ars Technica](http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/fbi-says-search-warrants-not-needed-to-use-stringrays-in-public-places/) > > FBI decided they don’t need a warrant if you’re using your cell phone in a public place Barf. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/88 "2015-05-07T06:56:07Z")
Whoops **NSA’s Bulk Collection Of Americans’ Phone Data Is Illegal, Appeals Court Rules** [http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/05/07/404898259/federal-court-bulk-collection-of-phone-metadata-is-illegal](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/05/07/404898259/federal-court-bulk-collection-of-phone-metadata-is-illegal) Courts full decision if you’re really bored - [http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NSAphone.pdf](http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NSAphone.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2015, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/89 "2015-05-08T10:52:40Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > Anyone use Cryptocat, encrypted chat plugin/software? NSA approved? Wickr is my go to. Laptop and iOS client for the encrypted convos and I like how they keep hardware bound convos and don’t put your UDID on their servers. Also convos destroy themselves so you can make sure you don’t leave stuff on a device that gets stolen or confiscated. [https://www.wickr.com](https://www.wickr.com) CryptoCat if I need to spin up a little chat I don’t want recorded or just stay anonymous. OTR and these decentralized encryption methods the NSA hates and admitted they can’t crack. The only thing you need to look out for is leaking your IP or other info that you have identified as you off other sites. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2015, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043/90 "2015-05-08T11:42:17Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Whoops > > **NSA’s Bulk Collection Of Americans’ Phone Data Is Illegal, Appeals Court Rules** > > [NSA's Bulk Collection Of Americans' Phone Data Is Illegal, Appeals Court Rules : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/05/07/404898259/federal-court-bulk-collection-of-phone-metadata-is-illegal) > > Courts full decision if you’re really bored - [http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NSAphone.pdf](http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NSAphone.pdf) Nice to finally get a case heard somewhere other than their personal kangaroo court. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizons-new-friends-family-and-nsa-plan/231043.md?page=4)