# War on drugs, free criminals? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 24, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145 "2014-11-24T14:23:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/21 "2014-11-25T10:44:02Z")
> [@Jam](#): > > for every “drugs ruined this guys life” I can give you an extremely successful person who recreationally uses drugs from occasionally to often. Engineers, cooks, construction workers. Judges, attorneys, cops, teachers… the list goes on, and on. Since they’re not burnouts, people don’t realize they smoke/use. For every person that abuses recreational drugs/alcohol, there’s several who don’t. [inb4anecdotalstoriesaboutburnoutspeopleknowwhowouldhaveabusedsomethingelseiftheydidn’tuseweed] ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/22 "2014-11-25T11:09:06Z")
Who gives a shit what other people do. Honestly. I don’t give a fuck. You want to have butt sex with some dude? Do it. You want to smoke weed in your house? Do it. HELL, do it in public! You want to get married to a llama? Whatever the fuck ever. I don’t care. We need to stop being so up everyone’s ass about their business. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/23 "2014-11-25T11:14:16Z")
I give a shit when what other people do impacts my life. and most things have an impact on society in some way. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/24 "2014-11-25T11:21:47Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I’d say 10 years and the same for gay marriage. what sucks is that it won’t be until about the time I die until Atheists are the Majority in America. You won’t see that in your life time… ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/25 "2014-11-25T11:37:21Z")
I don’t care if they legalize weed but I still better be able to fire people for smoking it. Running very expensive and potentially dangerous machines on weed is not cool. - - - Updated - - - I have fired people in the past but I can see a day when I am in court because I fired someone for being stoned. - - - Updated - - - > [@theblue](#): > > I’d say 10 years and the same for gay marriage. what sucks is that it won’t be until about the time I die until Atheists are the Majority in America. I am not a holy roller but I can say with confidence if those people in Ferguson had God in their lives they would not be doing what they are doing. ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/26 "2014-11-25T11:46:19Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I don’t care if they legalize weed but I still better be able to fire people for smoking it. Running very expensive and potentially dangerous machines on weed is not cool. > > - > - > - Updated - - - > > I have fired people in the past but I can see a day when I am in court because I fired someone for being stoned. > > - > - > - Updated - - - There was a guy in Michigan that was injured at work and was using medical marijuana for a brain tumor. He was subsequently fired for violating the company drug policy (in spite of having a prescription). It went to court but the employee lost. You might have to go to court because “Hey, sue everybody”, but you should be fine if it’s not legal or a violation of company policy for them to operate the machines while under the influence of alcohol/drugs. You’d only really be in trouble if there was no evidence that they were under the influence, or if you didn’t handle the termination/testing correctly. (You’d have the same issue for firing someone for being drunk at work too) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/27 "2014-11-25T11:50:18Z")
The problem is there is no test for weed like there is alcohol. The guy could say he smoked it on Friday and it is still in his blood. ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/28 "2014-11-25T12:09:29Z")
You can still have a company policy that strictly prohibits it, they’d still be in violation of the policy. I believe it just needs to be clearly documented that the employee acknowledges the policy (with something like a handbook sign off) It’s certainly going to be one of the challenges going forward. In the end, it doesn’t mean someone isn’t going to sue you, just that you have a better chance of getting it dismissed. The same is true of any employment action. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/29 "2014-11-25T12:14:29Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > You won’t see that in your life time… it’s possible… look at the last 50 year in England as an example. we are just at the start now. ---
**Author:** ![Haenszel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e68b1a/32.png) [@Haenszel](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Haenszel)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/30 "2014-11-25T12:27:27Z")
> [@superfan99](#): > > You can still have a company policy that strictly prohibits it, they’d still be in violation of the policy. I believe it just needs to be clearly documented that the employee acknowledges the policy (with something like a handbook sign off) The problem is there’s no way you can _prove_ they were high at the time. If its legal, you can’t fire someone just for having it in their blood – you can’t tell people what they can and can’t do at home. ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/31 "2014-11-25T12:37:15Z")
> [@Haenszel](#): > > The problem is there’s no way you can _prove_ they were high at the time. If its legal, you can’t fire someone just for having it in their blood – you can’t tell people what they can and can’t do at home. Well you would think so but considering Centura is screening people to see if they smoke ciggs who knows how it will play out > **[Smokers, Tobacco Users Won't Be Hired By Centura Health](https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/smokers-tobacco-users-wont-be-hired-by-centura-health/)** > > Centura Health will no longer hire smokers or tobacco users starting in January of next year. ---
**Author:** ![King](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/king/32/7329_2.png) [@King](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/King)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/32 "2014-11-25T12:37:31Z")
> [@travisn"](#): > > So I’m watching this video: [Ethan Nadelmann: Why we need to end the War on Drugs | TED Talk](https://www.ted.com/talks/ethan_nadelmann_why_we_need_to_end_the_war_on_drugs) > > and it got me thinking… Do the people put in jail for marijuana possession become free once it is legalized? seems like a stoner thought haha ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/33 "2014-11-25T12:39:27Z")
I get blood screened every year. if no tobacco I get a “discount” but it’s really just not a surcharge. ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/34 "2014-11-25T12:42:28Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I get blood screened every year. if no tobacco I get a “discount” but it’s really just not a surcharge. Yeah but that’s different than screening people for tobacco, and then not hiring them because of it which was my point ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/35 "2014-11-25T12:43:24Z")
> [@Haenszel](#): > > The problem is there’s no way you can _prove_ they were high at the time. If its legal, you can’t fire someone just for having it in their blood – you can’t tell people what they can and can’t do at home. Like I said, it’s certainly going to be one of the challenges going forward. In the states where it’s been legalized there’s blood level of THC that constitute a threshold for DUI. (Urine tests test for metabolites, not actual THC in the system, which is why it’s present for longer.) You could likely use the same thresholds for employment concerns. Even if it’s legalized for recreational use at the state level, I don’t think it’s likely to be legal federally anytime soon. Until they change it’s schedule, I don’t think medical researchers can even do the sort of testing they would need to really flesh out all the details of intoxication levels anyway. ---
**Author:** ![maxwell](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/maxwell/32/6524_2.png) [@maxwell](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/maxwell)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/36 "2014-11-25T12:48:16Z")
> [@King](#): > > seems like a stoner thought haha [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/3/6/36e662d00622f781bdf9957b2818732a342166f5.jpeg "half baked - enhancement smoker") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4GneX1jj94) ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/37 "2014-11-25T12:53:57Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I give a shit when what other people do impacts my life. and most things have an impact on society in some way. I’m more worried about some drunken moron than I am some stoned person. If I show up to work impaired in any way (alcohol, weed, etc), that’s grounds for termination. That doesn’t change when it becomes legalized. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/38 "2014-11-25T12:54:45Z")
BED, I think you’re worrying about something that won’t be an issue. If you have an employee who regularly shows up for work drunk you would fire him. You wouldn’t have him blow in a meter to determine precise BAC, you’d simply say I can see that you’re drunk and you’re fired. It’s going to be the same with marijuana. You’re not going to be allowed to fire someone because he smoked a bowl the night before and showed up to work clear headed and ready to work. If he smokes one in the parking lot and comes in with dilated pupils and that telltale smell you’ll just need to make sure yourself and someone from HR both observe it and you’ll fire him. He could probably try to fight it, but so could the guy who gets fired for being drunk on the job. We don’t have a rash of people suing their ex employers because they were wrongfully accused of being drunk on the job so I doubt we’re going see the issue with marijuana as it becomes legal either. The guy who has such a problem that he has to drink/smoke AT WORK won’t have many people in his life willing to testify that he doesn’t have a problem. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/39 "2014-11-25T13:07:31Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I’d say 10 years and the same for gay marriage. what sucks is that it won’t be until about the time I die until Atheists are the Majority in America. I think this is going to grow exponentially. More and more people are raising kids without the old school beliefs. Once the older generations get out of government and the every day lives, this may grow pretty fast IMO. > [@superfan99](#): > > Judges, attorneys, cops, teachers… the list goes on, and on. Since they’re not burnouts, people don’t realize they smoke/use. > > For every person that abuses recreational drugs/alcohol, there’s several who don’t. [inb4anecdotalstoriesaboutburnoutspeopleknowwhowouldhaveabusedsomethingelseiftheydidn’tuseweed] This is funny because the CIA/FBI isn’t able to hire computer experts recently because they all fail weed screenings. > [@theblue](#): > > I give a shit when what other people do impacts my life. and most things have an impact on society in some way. If more people thought this, we would have a government that actually is small and does stuff. Now we have people pushing their own beliefs on society. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145/40 "2014-11-25T13:36:08Z")
> [@ubengineering](#): > > Enjoy your Faux News, I mean Fox News > > EDIT: Didn’t you read the first sentence? It goes unreported. Just like Amherst is “the second safest city in America”. Because the people getting paid to make those statistics have been “swayed” a certain way ($$$$). > > Just like there’s no life outside of the Earth > > There’s no Area 51 > > There’s so much shit we’ll never know about. > > So congrats on reading the most popular sources of information that goes to the masses and being a sheep. I’m not saying they’re incorrect, but dig a little deeper than what the huffington post has to say. > > EDIT [#2](http://www.nyspeed.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2) : are you also a Michael Brown Supporter? Hands up don’t shoot! LOL So fact checking your fabricated story makes me a sheep? I think a sheep would blindly agree with you, oh wait, one did. The sheriff obviously has a personal agenda, and “losing” his son has more to do with his parenting than legalization. I must admit that you lost me on space aliens, area 51, and Michael Brown, I’m not sure what that has to do with this topic. > [@boxxa](#): > > I usually find out how much research people do. If someone sees news only on major media outlets and forms their opinions, they are pretty narrow minded. People need to read a lot of sources. There is so much info out there and access to real time things happening. People are so uneducated and have this whole view of how what they read must be honest by big media to push their own views. Since I’m pretty lazy, could you show me some wide minded data on crime rates, vehicle accidents, employment rates, and increase in hard drug usage in Colorado that supports UBeng’s story. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/war-on-drugs-free-criminals/271145.md?page=3)