# Watervliet + Statie = How Bad?

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**Category:** Shift518 Automotive\
**Created:** [August 6, 2012, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/watervliet-statie-how-bad/264640 "2012-08-06T19:24:57Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 6, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/watervliet-statie-how-bad/264640/38 "2012-08-06T20:27:44Z")

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> [@Dethklok \> \*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dethklok/50383/9):
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> :rofl
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> Let us know how that works out for you.
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> You’re looking at like 8 points btw. You can waste time and go to court and argue all you want but unless you have a law degree the DA is going to kick you down to the curb. This is America, not Ukraine. People go to court over spilling hot beverages in this country.

> [@Gas mileage thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gas-mileage-thread/50164/94):
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> :lol, that they do. And get millions.

and she got the money because mcdonalds kept their coffee at illegal temps so they could keep it out for longer and save money. but part of the settlement was a gag order on the woman so that mcdonalds could spin it however they want it and she could never tell her side of the story again in public. thankfully her family doesn’t have to pay attention and she can’t get in trouble now since she has passed away. oh and those millions of dollars that people get awarded are usually not given because of caps on lawsuits that even the juries at the cases don’t know about. all the women in this case wanted was for mcdonalds to pay for her medical fees but when they wouldn’t do that she was forced to take them to court…watch the movie hot coffee if you want a quick informative way to realize that those cases you think are ridiculous really aren’t what the media tells you.

but to the topic of this thread, what everyone is telling you as far as points/fines is if you plead guilty, plead not guilty, go talk to the da, if your record is what you say it is you will be find without a lawyer. i have an awful driving record and had a 91 in a 65 reduced down to a 71 in a 65. if the da will not reduce it for some reason (i have never known them not to), request a trial and get a lawyer then.

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