# way to go NYS senate \[gay marriage\] **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806 "2009-12-02T12:25:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![speedster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@speedster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedster)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/61 "2009-12-03T04:39:53Z")
those who CARE about this mess are the same ones who care about there country. This country was founded on biblical standards of living and beliefs. when America was started, the first leaders used their beliefs in what God says in the bible is right and wrong to form the constitution and create the first laws and rules of the formerly great country known as the USA. homosexuality is WRONG, and there are multiple verses within the bible that condemn it. (if you want the verses I will gladly post them, just ask) what we need to do is take a look back at some formerly great nations that thought they could do whatever they wanted (IE homosexuality), where this belief took them, and their activities during their final days. 1. Sodom and Gomorrah : we all know what happened here, destroyed by a storm of fire for their homosexuality and other acts of sexual deviancy. Currently the USA is much worse than S&G ever was. 2. The Roman Empire : just to demonstrate a non biblical example, here are some quotes about the lifestyle of the Romans shortly before the fall of one of the greatest world powers ever. “There are at least some signs that something approaching a homosexual subculture was already starting to develop in ancient Rome” “In the mid Republic homosexual acts were widely accepted” and I will even post the NON biblical link to these facts. > **[Homosexuality in ancient Rome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome)** > > Homosexuality in ancient Rome often differs markedly from the contemporary West. Latin lacks words that would precisely translate "homosexual" and "heterosexual". The primary dichotomy of ancient Roman sexuality was active/dominant/masculine and passive/submissive/feminine. Roman society was patriarchal, and the freeborn male citizen possessed political liberty (libertas) and the right to rule both himself and his household (familia). "Virtue" (virtus) was seen as an active quality through whi Sa... everything I have stated is 100% FACT, not just my personal opinion, although it is what I also believe. ---
**Author:** ![Muckman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@Muckman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Muckman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/62 "2009-12-03T05:11:42Z")
> [@Starling](#): > > Marriage is between two people that love each other, why does sex matter? What about 3 people that love each other? What about love for animals? Love for children? Honestly I dont care, Im just stating the argument. Personally I think the government should get out of the wedding business and let religion handle it. ---
**Author:** ![LAFENGAS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lafengas/32/7573_2.png) [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/63 "2009-12-03T05:23:45Z")
I guess i just don’t understand why gays WANT to get married. The majority of the gays who DO want to get married…is so they can have the same legal benefits as a heterosexual married couple. Adoptions are one of them i believe. I 100% stand behind my belief that gays should NOT be able to adopt childern. 1st it’s fucked up for the childern…secondly if you have a lifestyle that dosen’t permit the creation of childern…then you shouldn’t be able to “obtain” children then either. If you’re gay and choose to be legally bound to someone… that’s your choice, i don’t care. BUT the term “marriage” shouldn’t afford you some of the same “benefits” as a heterosexual married couple. :tdown: to penis’ in butts :tup: to living in a free society and having freedom of choice. > [@dawn](#): > > I’m not allowed to get married in a Catholic church, does that mean my marriage will be called a civil union too? no, just means you should stop being a dirty slut. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/64 "2009-12-03T05:59:32Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > To protect the sanctity of marriage gays can’t get married, but The Bachelor/Bachelorette, who wants to marry a millionaire, etc are all fine? What’s the divorce rate at now? \>50%? > > I think us straighties are doing such a great job bastardizing marriage that any argument against gay marriage is laughable at best. > > I thought all people were supposed to have equal rights in a republic? Not suppress the minority via the will of the majority. all of this. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/65 "2009-12-03T06:05:32Z")
> [@Beck](#): > > fixed. > > :uhh: > > :confederateflag: YEA FUCK THEM FAGGOTS!! I really don’t care if the butt fucking nancies get married at all… who cares if religion doesn’t recognize it. The government should at least be able to view them as an item for taxation reasons. There is seriously nothing holy about a marriage by judge at all ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/66 "2009-12-03T06:17:14Z")
> [@Muckman](#): > > What about 3 people that love each other? What about love for animals? Love for children? > > Honestly I dont care, Im just stating the argument. Personally I think the government should get out of the wedding business and let religion handle it. Reminds me of the NAMBLA episode of southpark. I can’t remember the exact quote but the boy toucher said something along the lines of “I can’t wait for the days of equal rights and to be able to do something that is perfectly natural without being oppressed” to which kyle responds “Dude, you touch little boys. That’s fucked up” ---
**Author:** ![Muckman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@Muckman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Muckman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/67 "2009-12-03T06:40:58Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > The government should at least be able to view them as an item for taxation reasons. Answer: Federally recognized Civil Unions. Done. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/68 "2009-12-03T06:47:15Z")
I think it’s stupid that marriage is legal thing nowadays, when it started out as a religious tradition. ---
**Author:** ![misteroman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/misteroman/32/7423_2.png) [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/69 "2009-12-03T06:48:17Z")
> [@Muckman](#): > > What about 3 people that love each other? What about love for animals? Love for children? Me and a friend were actually talking about this yesterday and how it will become true in the not so distant future. Don’t think so, people said the same about the gay marriage issue 30 yrs ago. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/70 "2009-12-03T06:50:00Z")
> [@speedster](#): > > those who CARE about this mess are the same ones who care about there country. This country was founded on biblical standards of living and beliefs. when America was started, the first leaders used their beliefs in what God says in the bible is right and wrong to form the constitution and create the first laws and rules of the formerly great country known as the USA. homosexuality is WRONG, and there are multiple verses within the bible that condemn it. (if you want the verses I will gladly post them, just ask) > what we need to do is take a look back at some formerly great nations that thought they could do whatever they wanted (IE homosexuality), where this belief took them, and their activities during their final days. > > 1. Sodom and Gomorrah : we all know what happened here, destroyed by a storm of fire for their homosexuality and other acts of sexual deviancy. Currently the USA is much worse than S&G ever was. > > 2. The Roman Empire : just to demonstrate a non biblical example, here are some quotes about the lifestyle of the Romans shortly before the fall of one of the greatest world powers ever. > > “There are at least some signs that something approaching a homosexual subculture was already starting to develop in ancient Rome” > > “In the mid Republic homosexual acts were widely accepted” > > and I will even post the NON biblical link to these facts. > [Homosexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome) > > everything I have stated is 100% FACT, not just my personal opinion, although it is what I also believe. The Bible isn’t fact unless you believe it to be so (faith). ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/71 "2009-12-03T06:53:38Z")
> [@misteroman$$$](#): > > Me and a friend were actually talking about this yesterday and how it will become true in the not so distant future. Don’t think so, people said the same about the gay marriage issue 30 yrs ago. This shows ignorance to the gay rights movement, and how much they have fought since the Stonewall Riots. I don’t see the beastiality people or polygamy people turning complete cities into infernos because of injustice. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/72 "2009-12-03T06:58:40Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#): > > I guess i just don’t understand why gays WANT to get married. The majority of the gays who DO want to get married…is so they can have the same legal benefits as a heterosexual married couple. Adoptions are one of them i believe. > > I 100% stand behind my belief that gays should be able to adopt childern. 1st it’s fucked up for the childern…secondly if you have a lifestyle that dosen’t permit the creation of childern…then you shouldn’t be able to “obtain” children then either. > > If you’re gay and choose to be legally bound to someone… that’s your choice, i don’t care. BUT the term “marriage” shouldn’t afford you some of the same “benefits” as a heterosexual married couple. > > :tdown: to penis’ in butts > :tup: to living in a free society and having freedom of choice. > > no, just means you should stop being a dirty slut. 😉 It’s not a “lifestyle”, it’s just life. Your wife doesn’t allow buttsex? That’s why you’re so bitter. ---
**Author:** ![misteroman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/misteroman/32/7423_2.png) [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/73 "2009-12-03T07:07:13Z")
Just what I believe. No I don’t think they should be killed, tortured,etc but I do believe it to be wrong. Yes I’m basing that on the Bible and yes I do go to a ‘bible believing’ church on sundays, not some church that changes it or looks the other way on things that they don’t like or aren’t PC in the new millenium. No I’m not Catholic either. The way I look at it If you think Gay marraige is acceptable you CAN’T believe in the Bible or Jesus for that matter as it is clear as day many places in there that it is wrong. I know I’m going to get slack for this but it’s what I believe. Derek ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/74 "2009-12-03T07:07:34Z")
it should be up to the church to allow a marriage ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/75 "2009-12-03T07:08:20Z")
i maintain; homosexuality existed before religion and it will exist after religion. it is only a matter of time before homosexuals earn full equal rights. All arguements are time-bound in the same sense that 100 years ago we could all make arguements about how woman and blacks did not deserve certain rights based on whatever general opposing concensus / science / opinion prevailed at the time. Gays will be allowed to marry, they will be allowed to adopt, they will be allowed to do anything anyone else is allowed to do but the priviledges will be staggeredly awarded and none of us are within a range of authority to influence. ---
**Author:** ![LAFENGAS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lafengas/32/7573_2.png) [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/76 "2009-12-03T07:13:59Z")
> [@RedGoober4Life](#): > > It’s not a “lifestyle”, it’s just life. > > Your wife doesn’t allow buttsex? That’s why you’re so bitter. don’t confuse me for being bitter. I feel a married gay couple has no right to raise a child. gays can do what they want, i just don’t like it rubbed in my face. You wont see me marching/prancing in a straight pride parade. ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/77 "2009-12-03T07:19:29Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#): > > don’t confuse me for being bitter. I feel a married gay couple has no right to raise a child. > > gays can do what they want, i just don’t like it rubbed in my face. You wont see me marching/prancing in a straight pride parade. We should organize a group of total dude bros and have a straight pride day in buffalo… The world will be very confused. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/78 "2009-12-03T07:23:25Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > We should organize a group of total dude bros and have a straight pride day in buffalo… The world will be very confused. I would love to see all the legal BS that would create. ---
**Author:** ![misteroman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/misteroman/32/7423_2.png) [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/79 "2009-12-03T07:27:38Z")
Probably be arrested under some new hate crime bill lol ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/80 "2009-12-03T07:36:47Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#): > > don’t confuse me for being bitter. I feel a married gay couple has no right to raise a child. what about men who have children that are queitly gay? i have known men who were married (straight), had kids and divorced to be more gay. nothing changes about their ability to parent being out of the closet. moreover, is being an abandoned child (for whatever reasons) actually better than living in a loving home with structure and guidance? I have an issue if the gays are be abusive or coersive, but that is mostly a fallacy anyways. The adoption approval process is pretty friggin strict as it is… the only gays that are slipping through are well adjusted men and women who have careers, education and homes who are prefectly well suited to raise children. In fact, there are plenty of gay married men and women who would serve as far superior mentors than the average american parents. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806.md?page=5)