# way to go NYS senate \[gay marriage\] **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806 "2009-12-02T12:25:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/121 "2009-12-03T12:16:02Z")
> [@AxisZ](#): > > don’t forget Hitler. oh, hes in this thread as well? good stuff :tup: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/122 "2009-12-03T12:39:56Z")
a little late on the topic but: I don’t think any child should be prevented from having a mother (or father). Sure shit happens and parents die or leave but by having a child raised in a family with gay parents they are missing a part of their childhood which has statistically proven to be important. This doesn’t mean that it should be banned, but adoption by gay parents obviously isn’t the ideal situation. I’ll agree its better than the streets. Ironically I think its a similar situation when you raise a child in a certain religion. They are entered into it without a choice which doesn’t sit well with me. I know for a fact that I would be different if I grew up hindu, muslim, catholic etc. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/123 "2009-12-03T12:56:56Z")
Ban all marriage and allow people to deal with the subject through contract law and non legally binding religious ceremony as they see fit ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/124 "2009-12-03T13:30:26Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#): > > for someone who is intelligent, sometimes you disappoint me. How would this disappoint? I didn’t write the fucking book and all its contradictions. ---
**Author:** ![upstateclipse](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/upstateclipse/32/7348_2.png) [@upstateclipse](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/upstateclipse)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/125 "2009-12-03T13:44:35Z")
This right here. > [@theblue](#): > > Ban all marriage and allow people to deal with the subject through contract law and non legally binding religious ceremony as they see fit The government has no business giving out “marriage” certificates if they are going to use a religious definition for marriage. If the bible is going to be used as a guide, shouldn’t divorce be illegal? ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/126 "2009-12-03T14:38:32Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > :io: > > gay marriage, religion, politics… lets add abortion to this discussion somehow :tup: Ok let’s…who has less abortions than gay couples? Can’t be against both. Although I guess if you are some sort of brainwashing fairytale machine then maybe you can. ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/127 "2009-12-03T15:00:44Z")
> [@mafdark](#): > > missing a part of their childhood which has statistically proven to be important. Link to reputable statistics? ---
**Author:** ![beautfldsastr427](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beautfldsastr427/32/7413_2.png) [@beautfldsastr427](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beautfldsastr427)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/128 "2009-12-03T18:02:10Z")
> [@walter](#): > > Link to reputable statistics? I was wondering the same thing… especially since the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association say that there’s no difference in being raised by same-sex parents … Also, for those saying the state shouldn’t be involved in marriage, what happens to people who are atheists? ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/129 "2009-12-03T18:13:37Z")
Easy. Atheists don’t have a religious ceremony to recognize their union. In the eyes of the law, “marriage” is only paper-work. Change it to civil union and leave the pomp to religion. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/130 "2009-12-03T18:20:18Z")
> [@walter](#): > > Link to reputable statistics? > Research shows that, on average, children of divorced parents are disadvantaged compared to > children of married-parent families in the area of educational achievement.11 Children of divorce > are more than twice as likely to have serious social, emotional, or psychological problems as > children of intact families—25 percent versus 10 percent.12 > Most divorced families with children experience enormous drops in income, which lessen > somewhat over time but remain significant for years—unless there is a subsequent parental > cohabitation or remarriage.13 Declines in income following divorce account for up to half the > risk for children dropping out of high school, regardless of income prior to the divorce.14 The > effects of divorce on children often last through adulthood. For instance, adult children of > divorce are more likely to experience depression and their own divorces—as well as earn less > income and achieve lower levels of education—compared with adults whose parents remained > married > The 2000 Census revealed that out of 5.5 million cohabiting couples, about 11 percent were > same-sex couples—with slightly more male couples than female. One-third of female same-sex > households and 22 percent of male households, or about 163,000 same-sex households in total, > lived with children under 18 years old.40 (This compares with about 25 million married-couple > households with children under 18.) > Although the research on these families has limitations, the findings are consistent: children > raised by same-sex parents are no more likely to exhibit poor outcomes than children raised by > divorced heterosexual parents.41 Since many children raised by gay or lesbian parents have > undergone the divorce of their parents, researchers have considered the most appropriate > comparison group to be children of heterosexual divorced parents.42 Children of gay or lesbian > parents do not look different from their counterparts raised in heterosexual divorced families > regarding school performance, behavior problems, emotional problems, early pregnancy, or > difficulties finding employment.43 However, as previously indicated, children of divorce are at > higher risk for many of these problems than children of married parents. [http://www.clasp.org/admin/site/publications\_states/files/0086.pdf](http://www.clasp.org/admin/site/publications_states/files/0086.pdf) I think there are additional implications. For an example a boy growing up with his divorced mother may not learn to throw a baseball, while a boy growing up with two lesbians as parents faces a more dire situation; learning to throw a softball. ---
**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/131 "2009-12-03T19:17:22Z")
> [@speedster](#): > > the bible is 100% factual, and has been proven. Holy fuck :danny: oawdgo;dhngowdanvasdgldfv No seriously… this is fucking retarded, yes a magical man came out of no where, saved everything by sacrificing himself, then disappeared… HOLY BLACK FUCKING JESUS… ps… based on his location and time that he supposedly was around, Jesus was statistically black ---
**Author:** ![NYstanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6a8cbe/32.png) [@NYstanger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/NYstanger)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/132 "2009-12-03T19:30:39Z")
> [@beautfldsastr427](#): > > I was wondering the same thing… especially since the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association say that there’s no difference in being raised by same-sex parents … Link? i find that hard to believe ---
**Author:** ![A.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@A.J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/A.J)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/133 "2009-12-03T19:31:13Z")
The reason why you don’t have straight parades is because straights are not lacking any rights that others freely have (and abuse) Gay parades are there to bring awareness to others who are not aware ---
**Author:** ![NYstanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6a8cbe/32.png) [@NYstanger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/NYstanger)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/134 "2009-12-03T19:34:50Z")
> [@A.J.](#): > > The reason why you don’t have straight parades is because straights are not lacking any rights that others freely have (and abuse) > > Gay parades are there to bring awareness to others who are not aware Who said the parade would have to be fighting for rights? Last I checked, parades were suppose to be for fun and entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/135 "2009-12-03T19:47:11Z")
> [@66impalass](#): > > HOLY BLACK FUCKING JESUS… > > ps… based on his location and time that he supposedly was around, Jesus was statistically black Israel is located in Asia and AFAIK the historical and scientific consensus is most people in the region at that time were Semitic. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/136 "2009-12-03T19:48:05Z")
> [@66impalass](#): > > Holy fuck > > :danny: > > oawdgo;dhngowdanvasdgldfv > > No seriously… this is fucking retarded, yes a magical man came out of no where, saved everything by sacrificing himself, then disappeared… > > HOLY BLACK FUCKING JESUS… > > ps… based on his location and time that he supposedly was around, Jesus was statistically black Well I don’t know about black but probably middle eastern aka really tan. I guess the “Garden Of Eden” was said to have been located somewhere in Africa. ---
**Author:** ![speedster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@speedster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/137 "2009-12-04T03:49:27Z")
> [@upstateclipse](#): > > No it hasn’t. It has however been manipulated by every religion to read the way that particular denomination finds to be convenient. archaeology proves reliability of bible: > **[Evidence For Jesus](https://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/evidence-for-jesus.htm)** > > Evidence For Jesus - When it comes to archaeology, is there any evidence for Jesus? Do we have actual sites or artifacts that testify to the historical truth of Jesus Christ? [http://www.facingthechallenge.org/arch2.php](http://www.facingthechallenge.org/arch2.php) [http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/21/jesus.box/index.html](http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/21/jesus.box/index.html) [http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/bibleevidences/archeology.htm](http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/bibleevidences/archeology.htm) _It may be stated categorically that no archeological discovery has ever controverted a single biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible_ ---
**Author:** ![speedster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@speedster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/138 "2009-12-04T03:54:42Z")
> [@RedGoober4Life](#): > > How would this disappoint? I didn’t write the fucking book and all its contradictions. tell me the contradictions you think it has so I can clarify them for you. ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/139 "2009-12-04T03:59:58Z")
> [@speedster](#): > > archaeology proves reliability of bible: > > [Evidence For Jesus](http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/evidence-for-jesus.htm) > [http://www.facingthechallenge.org/arch2.php](http://www.facingthechallenge.org/arch2.php) > [http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/21/jesus.box/index.html](http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/21/jesus.box/index.html) > [http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/bibleevidences/archeology.htm](http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/bibleevidences/archeology.htm) > > _It may be stated categorically that no archeological discovery has ever controverted a single biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible_ archeology provides _evidence_, not proof, of the people and culture in the bible. And in no way shape or form provides any evidence or proof of the theory in the bible which is what your using to justify your claim about homosexuality. you sound like a religious fanatic with these claims and therefore no one will take you seriously. > [@speedster](#): > > tell me the contradictions you think it has so I can clarify them for you. how about the biggest contradiction of christianity. people were given free will…but yet God is omnipotent and therefore knew he was creating child molesters, rapist, mass murderers, ect. ---
**Author:** ![speedster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@speedster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806/140 "2009-12-04T04:49:51Z")
> [@d3x](#): > > archeology provides _evidence_, not proof, of the people and culture in the bible. And in no way shape or form provides any evidence or proof of the theory in the bible which is what your using to justify your claim about homosexuality. you sound like a religious fanatic with these claims and therefore no one will take you seriously. > > EVIDENCE = PROOF, just like in a murder. If the police have EVIDENCE that someone committed a murder, such as DNA, fingerprints, it is PROOF that the person is guilty. > > how about the biggest contradiction of Christianity. people were given free will…but yet God is omnipotent and therefore knew he was creating child molesters, rapist, mass murderers, ect. I don’t see how this is a contradiction. God created people with free will, he didn’t want robots. With free will came the choice to do good or bad. Some people choose bad and some people choose good. God knew that by giving people free will, there would be consequences if they choose bad. God gave people the choice to live as they want. So ultimately God nor Christianity is to blame for child molesters, rapist, mass murderers, but the mans free will to do wrong and not right. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/way-to-go-nys-senate-gay-marriage/76806.md?page=8)