# Welcome to censored America **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [August 14, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958 "2011-08-14T15:03:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/21 "2011-08-14T18:58:05Z")
> [@Taillight issue. HELP.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/taillight-issue-help/44554/28): > > How is it different than not allowing people to travel public roads to get to destination? > > Stopping trains carrying those passengers that wanted to gather or identifying them and not letting them in to the system? > > They are shutting down a public service to prevent individuals from using it to execute their right of gathering and protesting for “the better good”. Think of this as an extension of the patriot act further acting on limiting people and their freedoms for the obscure “common good”. > > They are purposely shutting people up in whatever manner they can. > > It doesnt matter what other options they had, obviously this action foiled their plan at the time. The difference is vlad this is the internet age, and things are not as clear cut as we would like them to be, and things like this are the reason laws and the constitution need big overhauls to include things in this digital age, and unfortunately I do not think many things will be in we the peoples favor. BUT… As it stands right now they shut down a service they offered as a convenience not something that was a right to those who use the public transit. The problem lies in a situation like this is that its a BIG grey area, shutting down service as they did can be taken as a way to remove someones right to assemble as cossey said, but given that the means in which were being used for people to communicate and assemble have more then a single function, it can be taken as a way to prevent civil unrest and assure the safety as those around if there was say people promoting a riot or use of force to get their cause out there. Lets say a Facebook page was made about a non-violent protest and one person says I’m going to shoot the douchebag officer. Well now that can be taken in a completely differeant fashion as its now no longer about being civil and non-violent. Reading that paragraph over its not worded how I’d like it to be but im kinda bust ATM hopfully you will see what im saying. THERES WAYY to many grey areas when it comes to the digital age with certain subjects these days. Again do I think its exactly kosher? No not in the least bit, but as it stands right now I think calling it a constitutional or human rights violation a little extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/22 "2011-08-14T19:03:31Z")
Well thank you Doctor Shady for explaining to the admin of an Internet Forum that this is the Internet age and there are grey areas in a thread where earlier you posted that this is no big deal. :wow So where can they draw the line? Let’s say somebody was starting a Facebook page for a riot to happen, do you think the government can shut that page down? ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/23 "2011-08-14T19:20:52Z")
> [@alright so here is my story](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/alright-so-here-is-my-story/44312/93): > > Well thank you Doctor Shady for explaining to the admin of an Internet Forum that this is the Internet age and there are grey areas in a thread where earlier you posted that this is no big deal. :wow > > So where can they draw the line? > > Let’s say somebody was starting a Facebook page for a riot to happen, do you think the government can shut that page down? I never said it was no big deal, I simply said that given this particular situation to call it unconstitutional and a violation of human rights was a little extreme. As far as your question goes, thats where it becomes a BIG grey area and unfortunately I cannot comment on that particular situation 100% confidently. To many cards come into play with that one, because while its a page someone made, its hosted on facebooks servers, and at that point facebook can do whatever they want, if facebook tells the government no and they (government) shut down facebook then yes I see that as unconstitutional, but if they go to facebook and ask them to take it down and they (facebook) agree? By no means do I think its right but facebook can do whatever the fuck they want with whatever is hosted on their server space. It’s even a big grey area with ISP’s, they can do whatever the fuck they want when it comes to content filtering, they can see everything you do, a lot of them have no issue handing over your online deeds to the government should they so choose to view it, if the government contacts all ISP’s and asks them to block a specific address is that really considered a rights violation if the ISP agrees? The ISP reserves all right to block that traffic, you sign that contract, just because the government asked them to does it become a rights violation then? If an ISP or any provider did not agree to the governments requests and then forcefully shut down that ISP/Provider then yes its 100% a rights violation IMO WAYY to much grey area in the age of the interwebs. It’s hard to draw that line when theres a middleman and so much grey area. ---
**Author:** ![Upstate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b3f665/32.png) [@Upstate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Upstate)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/24 "2011-08-14T19:43:06Z")
> [@Tax people, PLEASE come in here](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tax-people-please-come-in-here/44603/11): > > Here’s the issue: > > They offer a free public service to those who ride the public transportation system in San Francisco. It’s usually working all times of day/night, and anyone with a cell phone can take advantage of this public service. > > They take away that service from law abiding citizens for the sole purpose of preventing an assembly of people for a lawful protest. > > Maybe it’s just the liberal vs. conservative viewpoints, but in my humble opinion, taking away the free to anyone service for the sole purpose of preventing them to gather for a lawful protest, is unconstitutional. What exactly is the constitutional right that was taken away? No one was blocked from assembling underground, and cutting off a communication method in no way coincides with attempting to block a public assembly. Anyone who wanted to protest could have organized above ground. Your argument is pretty flawed, as is this idea that cell service is somehow now considered a “basic human right.” ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/25 "2011-08-14T19:50:57Z")
Love seeing some traditional liberals finally see the light. ---
**Author:** ![xreaction](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xreaction/32/6409_2.png) [@xreaction](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/xreaction)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/26 "2011-08-14T19:54:12Z")
Tech support guy and Upstate guy getting super SRS ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/27 "2011-08-14T20:03:32Z")
FYI I think a lot of this shit needs to change, in relation to the internet/social media, laws and regs pertaining to it etc ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/28 "2011-08-14T20:18:25Z")
Change doesn’t happen in this country unless you lobby for it. Big business doesn’t care about Internet speech freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/29 "2011-08-15T06:31:57Z")
Here’s the deal: the right to assemble was not taken away when they shut off the ability to communicate via wireless means. There are still ways to communicate with other people. How the fuck did people 50+ years ago assembly to demonstrate and rally? If you are so dependent on your damn cellphone and can’t figure out another way, then tough shit. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/30 "2011-08-15T06:41:36Z")
> [@Pontiac G8 Article... Great Review, Good Info](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pontiac-g8-article-great-review-good-info/44609/5): > > Here’s the deal: the right to assemble was not taken away when they shut off the ability to communicate via wireless means. > > There are still ways to communicate with other people. How the fuck did people 50+ years ago assembly to demonstrate and rally? If you are so dependent on your damn cellphone and can’t figure out another way, then tough shit. Looks like Anon got back at them either way > An anonymously posted press release detailed the Anonymous plan: > > 1. Begin a massive Black Fax and E-Mail Bomb action, where it would fill every inbox and fax machine at BART with thousands of copies of its message claiming the outage was unacceptable. A list of those email addresses just been posted to Pastebin, a site commonly used by hackers to share text anonymously. > 2. It would remove BART’s website for exactly six hours. That’s twice as long as BART shut off cell phones for. > 3. A “physical protest” will take place at the Civic Center Bart Station. [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/14/BAH71KN6CK.DTL](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/14/BAH71KN6CK.DTL) > **[Anonymous hacks SF’s myBART website. Thousands of names, addresses &...](https://thenextweb.com/news/anonymous-hacks-sfs-mybart-website-thousands-of-names-addresses-numbers-released)** > > Anonymous, the online hacktivist group, has released thousands of names, email addresses, home addresses and phone numbers believed to be from myBart.org, an independent site that uses BART’s (San Francisco’s Bay Area Rapid Transit) open da ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/31 "2011-08-15T06:51:49Z")
I loved what Anon stands for but some of their actions are Digitally violent if you will. They are being destructive and flexing their muscles, They are merely pissing people off rather then spreading a message. Getting people to close paypal accounts in support of wikileaks okay cool thats fine. Hacking a local police station that arrested your buddy and releasing tons of information on officers and on going case files is destructive and unnecessary. I really hope anon makes a difference, but I think all they are going to accomplish is pissing a lot of people are rather then promoting change. Lets see if the actually are able to go through and kill facebook by november ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/32 "2011-08-15T06:54:31Z")
Don’t forget there is also Lulz Sect who are much much more “digitally destructive” or “liberating” depending on your point of view. I think they shut down a major bank website recently. But that’s a whole another issue. ---
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/33 "2011-08-15T06:55:49Z")
> [@Another "what tire" thread... Drag radials](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-what-tire-thread-drag-radials/44615/3): > > Looks like Anon got back at them either way > > [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/14/BAH71KN6CK.DTL](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/14/BAH71KN6CK.DTL) > > [Anonymous hacks SF’s myBART website. Thousands of names, addresses & numbers released.](http://thenextweb.com/insider/2011/08/14/anonymous-hacks-sfs-mybart-website-thousands-of-names-addresses-numbers-released/) well there you go. doesn’t look like they are using their cellphones to forge a head with this demonstration. looks like they are planning _ **AHEAD** _ of time. ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/34 "2011-08-15T06:58:24Z")
> [@Opie and Anthony](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opie-and-anthony/25815/271): > > Don’t forget there is also Lulz Sect who are much much more “digitally destructive” or “liberating” depending on your point of view. > > I think they shut down a major bank website recently. > > But that’s a whole another issue. FWIW, many of LuLZsec is part of Anon It started out great, but what their doing lately is like shooting someone in front of the nation tp get their point across… ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/35 "2011-08-15T07:03:16Z")
I think Anon is going a great job. So you think they are wrong for exposing personal information of users on the mybart website? They said the info wasnt secure, so I see nothing wrong. It would be the users mistake of trusting that website. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/36 "2011-08-15T07:06:58Z")
> [@WTB: Rusty, obd-1 honda](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-rusty-obd-1-honda/44427/25): > > FWIW, many of LuLZsec is part of Anon > > It started out great, but what their doing lately is like shooting someone in front of the nation tp get their point across… FWIW some members might be the same but the organizations have entirely different views and are actually at “war” with each other > **[Hackers attack one another: LulzSec at war with Anonymous, 4Chan members](https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/technology-blog/story/2011-06-16/hackers-attack-one-another-lulzsec-at-war-with-anonymous-4chan-members)** > > This article was originally on a blog post platform and may be missing photos, graphics or links. > **[Hit the deck: LulzSec and Anonymous start trading blows](https://venturebeat.com/games/lulzsec-anonymous-civil-war/)** > > Are you looking to showcase your brand in front of the gaming industry’s top leaders? Learn more about GamesBeat Summit sponsorship opportunities here.  Hacker group LulzSec has begun publicly attacking hacker group Anonymous, an action that... ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/37 "2011-08-15T07:13:49Z")
> [@Another "what tire" thread... Drag radials](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-what-tire-thread-drag-radials/44615/4): > > I think Anon is going a great job. So you think they are wrong for exposing personal information of users on the mybart website? They said the info wasnt secure, so I see nothing wrong. It would be the users mistake of trusting that website. You make it sound as though everyone on that payroll is in the wrong. Just because the “Higher Ups” made a decesion people dident agree with your going to punish everyone? Some people who work their simply to support their familys and leave their personal info out there for everoyne to see? Same thing with the police station, they arrested a member of Anon, who realistically was doing illegal activites, so now your going to punish and officer for doing his job? Putting his personal information out there so someone who may not like him now knows where he lives? Your going to possibly corrupt a fellow americans chances in an ongoing case that may mean life or death, some form of closure for a murdered loved one or whatever kind of things that could be compromised from doing so. If someone hacked your Lab steve because they dident like what they were doing and exposed every piece of personal information they had on everyone who worked their would that be right? Thats just your job, whehter or not you like what you do there, its your job. ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/38 "2011-08-15T07:17:08Z")
I do like what Anon is doing realistically, I don’t care for how they dont seem to care about any collatoral damage being done ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/39 "2011-08-15T07:26:39Z")
Well Anon is a large group, some things arent done for the best interest of what anon is trying to portray. But from what I understand, there isn’t one “leader” of anon, you could have some joe hacker that’s good at what he does, freak out and do something for his personal benefit, which isnt right in my mind. However as a whole I like what anon is doing. It might be one of the best ways to help push back at our out-of-control government. If my lab was doing something horrid and illegal that was directly affecting people in a negative way, and my info was released. I’d probably blame myself for partaking in something like that. However if some rouge hacker just did it to do it for some bullshit reason it wouldnt be right. Not much I can do about it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![toomanycamaros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@toomanycamaros](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/toomanycamaros)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958/40 "2011-08-15T10:50:12Z")
What I find more interesting is where will a path like this go. The hackers have to be very nieve to think they can piss on the government without recourse of some kind. Forget which side of the debate your on actions like that aren’t going to do anybody any good in the long run. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welcome-to-censored-america/259958.md?page=3)