# Welder selection help

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**Category:** Shift518 Automotive\
**Created:** [February 16, 2009, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welder-selection-help/242161 "2009-02-16T10:31:57Z")\
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**Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/welder-selection-help/242161/11 "2009-02-17T08:22:20Z")

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> [@GTi\>srt-4,SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/gti-srt-4-ss/14141/31):
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> Hank is correct. DC is based of 10 minute intervals. 60% = 6 minutes continuous before thermal overload kicks in. That’s also rated at is MAX amperage too. May be 60%DC at max amps, but 100% DC at 50% amps.
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> The welders are nice. I’m not too fond of the “auto” features as I sometimes find myself welding weird things where I may need to under or over speed the wire feed a bit to get the puddle to do something I need. But those welders have a manual mode anyway so it’s no worry really.
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> Increased price of the 212 is the cart function and the extra amperage. That extra 30 amps is going to make a different in welding, so if you can afford it, I’d go with the 212. the 212 is 60% DC at 160amps. At 130apms(the max of the 211) it’s probably more around 80%DC or more. That’s where the extra amperage capability comes in handy as you’re not stressing the machine to do the work. There’s nothing wrong with the 211 though.
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> If you never plan to weld anything thicker than 1/4" plate, the 211 should do fine. Over 1/4" I’d go with the 212 without pause.
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> Also don’t push out buying a used machine either. Contact Taylor/United and ask if they have anything used. There are other places to shop used as well. You could find a good used machine for half of those new ones and have more capability. Seth @ Moon just purchased a Miller Inverter TIG used, was a rental with about 10 hours on it, for ~$2700. New it’s a $5K machine. Just another suggestion that’s all.

I just called over to United & Taylor on Freemans bridge road and spoke with Sam. He said that they didn’t deal in used equipment and his competitors wouldn’t either. He said I would have to go somewhere like the tool shed.

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