# Went out for some folding chairs **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 1, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565 "2016-02-01T13:15:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/141 "2016-03-07T07:13:07Z")
> [@Wahoo](#): > > So as of lately on LS1tech people are saying the ls7 clutch sucks ans locks people out of high rpm shifts… They say its a very heavy clutch and makes the car feel slower as well… > > I guess opinions have changed on the clutch, now im not sure if im going to go with it. I ran the ls7 clutch in the rx7(cam-only) that ran 10.9-11.0 like clockwork launching on slicks at 6krpm. I would buy one again in a minute. Don’t let interwebs weenies get in your head. ---
**Author:** ![mark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9c0ed/32.png) [@mark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mark)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/142 "2016-03-07T07:42:46Z")
I haven’t heard anything at all bad about the ls7 clutch. I went from a monster IV to a mantic and it made daily driving so much better. I hated that monster IV. ---
**Author:** ![Wahoo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wahoo/32/8265_2.png) [@Wahoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wahoo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/143 "2016-03-07T07:52:34Z")
> [@Norb O](#): > > Well I ran the LS7 clutch in the BMW for a couple months and loved it, it was really the perfect all around unit. The car didn’t feel any slower by going to the heavier flywheel and PP, but then again that was seat of the pants. Never locked me out of gears but that was with an MGW shifter and BMW clutch master cylinder. > > I still need to beat on the vette with the clutch spring removed and see if it helped. I’m not expecting miracles. > > John I would look into Monster, they seem to get great reviews. Not sure what power plans you have for the Goat but I’m sure any of their offerings would hold up. > > Everyday driveability and long life is more important to me than brute clamping force so the LS7 is attractive…we will see i was planning to do the LS7, and i might still, maybe ill pay the extra $100 to get the light weight flywheel. I dont have any crazy goals, i want basically what you described. > [@LZ](#): > > Weird my 700hp car has no issues with it :lol: > > Stop reading stupid posts? People have been swapping the LS7 clutch into everything with great results they probably had bad/shitty hydraulics that were failing or fucked. im surprised by what i have been reading as well, i was only researching because i noticed i see monster is more common and i dont read about spec clutches any more and thats what i was familiar with when i had my old TA. > [@ultradriver10000](#): > > LS7 is in my CTSV now. > > I believe that the LS7 is the same as the newer LS3’s, good clutch for the money. Ill probably still go with it > [@cougarspeed](#): > > I ran the ls7 clutch in the rx7(cam-only) that ran 10.9-11.0 like clockwork launching on slicks at 6krpm. I would buy one again in a minute. > > Don’t let interwebs weenies get in your head. Haha, i know. You were nice and let me drive your car, and i liked the way the pedal felt, althougg only drove it like 100ft. I dont really have any extreme plabs with the car, maybe bolt ons. Kaybe a cam eventually, not very soon though. Was just surprised what ive read. ---
**Author:** ![goff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/goff/32/7494_2.png) [@goff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/goff)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/144 "2016-03-07T09:02:49Z")
I’m still on my stock clutch, we will see how it holds up after it gets tuned later this month… Speaking of which, @Norb_O I see you have HPtuners, are you able to read out my stock file to send to New Era, and then load the base tune for me? ---
**Author:** ![Norb\_O](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/norb_o/32/5189_2.png) [@Norb\_O](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norb_O)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/145 "2016-03-07T09:06:29Z")
I am borrowing the software so it’s not really my call, talk to @**[LZ](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=95)** or @**[mahoneybags21](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=25164)** You can view tunes for free using the Demo Mode of the software but you are not able to flash a tune onto a PCM unless you pay for the credits to license that PCM ($100). ECS will do mail order tunes for $150 which is a good value for someone with bolt ons, that doesn’t plan on modifying anything down the road. It’s a decent start to get the car up and running [http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.com/store.html?page=shop.product\_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product\_id=300&category\_id=127](http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.com/store.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=300&category_id=127) ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/146 "2016-03-07T10:03:34Z")
If you want to pay the $100 in credits your welcome to use it. ---
**Author:** ![goff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/goff/32/7494_2.png) [@goff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/goff)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/147 "2016-03-07T10:04:39Z")
Ok thanks. I think I will just try to arrange trailering or towing it out there then. edit: @LZ1 I may take you up on that offer depending on towing/trailering cost ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/148 "2016-03-07T10:18:58Z")
If I could do it for free I would but their licensing system sucks ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/149 "2016-03-07T10:47:04Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Weird my 700hp car has no issues with it :lol: > > Stop reading stupid posts? People have been swapping the LS7 clutch into everything with great results they probably had bad/shitty hydraulics that were failing or fucked. This makes me want to try one in the nova. I have a monster lvl 3 and its just too on/off for my taste. > [@LZ](#): > > If I could do it for free I would but their licensing system sucks ☹ No way to crack this? I’m sure you would know. ---
**Author:** ![Wahoo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wahoo/32/8265_2.png) [@Wahoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wahoo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/150 "2016-03-07T13:16:54Z")
One post that made sense was the fact it is a heavier setup, and that why do a modification that could technically slow the car down. Ill probably still do an LS7 clutch when the time comes, or maybe a monster stage 1 or 2. I had a spec 3 in my trans am ws6 when i had it, and it squealed whenever i took off(normal driving), so i hated it. And im surprised it seems specs arent common any more, and that monster took its place? ---
**Author:** ![livin4hockey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d2c977/32.png) [@livin4hockey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/livin4hockey)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/151 "2016-03-07T18:15:34Z")
I knew I remember a thread being posted about Spec before: [http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?226357-My-official-quot-beware-of-buying-anything-from-Spec-Clutch-quot-thread&highlight=spec+clutch](http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?226357-My-official-quot-beware-of-buying-anything-from-Spec-Clutch-quot-thread&highlight=spec+clutch) ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/152 "2016-03-08T04:58:40Z")
I have a spec in the vette and cavy, I like um. ---
**Author:** ![Norb\_O](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/norb_o/32/5189_2.png) [@Norb\_O](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norb_O)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/153 "2016-03-08T06:15:04Z")
Pulled out the clutch assist spring: [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1645/25600948705_4f9836d2fd_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1645/25600948705_4f9836d2fd_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/F1gy8k)[\_DSC4884](https://flic.kr/p/F1gy8k) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1694/24974247223_041a9d380a_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1694/24974247223_041a9d380a_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/E3TxBn)[\_DSC4885](https://flic.kr/p/E3TxBn) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1468/25305322220_e700e863ea_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1468/25305322220_e700e863ea_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/Ey9oEY)[\_DSC4886](https://flic.kr/p/Ey9oEY) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1637/24974219673_1f53ab7f05_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1637/24974219673_1f53ab7f05_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/E3Tpqn)[\_DSC4887](https://flic.kr/p/E3Tpqn) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr Will be fabbing up a real return spring in the next week or so ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/154 "2016-03-08T06:25:30Z")
I think I have one if you want it 🙂 It’s whatever the C6 guys replace theirs with but im rolling without one. ---
**Author:** ![Norb\_O](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/norb_o/32/5189_2.png) [@Norb\_O](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norb_O)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/155 "2016-03-08T07:04:18Z")
The return spring and assist spring are 2 separate things All Vettes (C5/C6) came with an assist spring as pictured above. The C6 spring is stronger than the C5 spring so a lot of C6 guys remove theirs and replace it with a C5 spring. The return spring on the other hand is literally a tension spring (like on your storm door that stops it from opening too far) that helps pull the pedal back up into resting position. Pedal effort goes up but I’ll gladly deal with that over the soft pedal bullshit ---
**Author:** ![goff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/goff/32/7494_2.png) [@goff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/goff)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/156 "2016-03-10T08:29:25Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > If I could do it for free I would but their licensing system sucks ☹ pm’d you. will be ready to start in the next couple days. let me know… ---
**Author:** ![Norb\_O](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/norb_o/32/5189_2.png) [@Norb\_O](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norb_O)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/157 "2016-03-10T08:43:32Z")
^I have his cable but am finishing up with it and will have it back to him by this weekend. ---
**Author:** ![goff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/goff/32/7494_2.png) [@goff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/goff)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/158 "2016-03-10T08:55:17Z")
Ok cool. I should be starting it within the next couple days, depending on when I have time to finish it up. Just want to get some miles on it before the tuning appointment to check for leaks and what not. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/159 "2016-03-10T09:29:57Z")
Yea I was waiting to get it back from Norb and see what my work travel schedule is going to be like. ---
**Author:** ![Norb\_O](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/norb_o/32/5189_2.png) [@Norb\_O](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Norb_O)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565/160 "2016-03-14T09:49:14Z")
When I bought the car it had some wacky subwoofer fiberglass box in the OEM cargo well. Hated not having room for jumper cables, couple tools, the usual “necessities”, so it had to go. so here’s what I started with [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1626/25675478321_c4d1eaceca_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1626/25675478321_c4d1eaceca_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/F7RxbH)[\_DSC4888](https://flic.kr/p/F7RxbH) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1503/25143957703_b4e9a5353e_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1503/25143957703_b4e9a5353e_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/EiTmC8)[\_DSC4889](https://flic.kr/p/EiTmC8) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1504/25649566252_bfa0fa14ba_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1504/25649566252_bfa0fa14ba_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/F5yJqU)[\_DSC4890](https://flic.kr/p/F5yJqU) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr Pulled back the carpet, sure enough they glassed it right to the OEM tub. I’m sure it took somebody a long time to do this because it seemed to look pretty nice but I’m not into big audio and I want my storage space back They glassed the wood into the shell and then bonded over that as well. Then laid the carpet over it and trimmed it with a knife. [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1710/25143921903_89865ee3e8_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1710/25143921903_89865ee3e8_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/EiTaYT)[\_DSC4891](https://flic.kr/p/EiTaYT) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr So out came the hammer for some test hits [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1715/25143903833_5c9dafe18e_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1715/25143903833_5c9dafe18e_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/EiT5Bk)[\_DSC4892](https://flic.kr/p/EiT5Bk) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr Pretty brittle stuff so it started ok along the stress points [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1488/25770478285_dcac55c93f_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1488/25770478285_dcac55c93f_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/Fgfrn8)[\_DSC4893](https://flic.kr/p/Fgfrn8) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr The wood flaked apart easily [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1488/25770478285_dcac55c93f_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1488/25770478285_dcac55c93f_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/Fgfrn8)[\_DSC4893](https://flic.kr/p/Fgfrn8) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1441/25649490972_847700822f_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1441/25649490972_847700822f_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/F5ym3Y)[\_DSC4894](https://flic.kr/p/F5ym3Y) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1484/25744383346_7c69120fbb_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1484/25744383346_7c69120fbb_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/FdWGfo)[\_DSC4895](https://flic.kr/p/FdWGfo) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/25744362416_daf5032500_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/25744362416_daf5032500_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/FdWA2w)[\_DSC4896](https://flic.kr/p/FdWA2w) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr Keeping at it. Sides came away [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1525/25139942904_abf998ca90_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1525/25139942904_abf998ca90_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/EiwMas)[\_DSC4897](https://flic.kr/p/EiwMas) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr The pile grows [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1663/25649410182_11f55c33dd_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1663/25649410182_11f55c33dd_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/F5xW33)[\_DSC4898](https://flic.kr/p/F5xW33) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr The final shell in the bottom of the tub proved to be very tricky. [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1621/25143766063_7ef9416c3d_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1621/25143766063_7ef9416c3d_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/EiSnDZ)[\_DSC4899](https://flic.kr/p/EiSnDZ) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr After some more cursing and yanking [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1542/25744285616_614ab42c54_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1542/25744285616_614ab42c54_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/FdWcco)[\_DSC4900](https://flic.kr/p/FdWcco) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr Finally! I vacuumed everything up [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1527/25770321305_97734d21d1_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1527/25770321305_97734d21d1_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/FgeCGz)[\_DSC4901](https://flic.kr/p/FgeCGz) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr And lined the entire rear with Frost King insulation. No pics of the finished product, I was losing daylight and wanted to get it done. [![https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1461/25675213131_df2310eb09_b.jpg](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1461/25675213131_df2310eb09_b.jpg)](https://flic.kr/p/F7Qbmt)[\_DSC4902](https://flic.kr/p/F7Qbmt) by [Norbert Ogiba](https://www.flickr.com/photos/nogiba/), on Flickr I finally remounted my 12 CD changer in the OEM spot since they had laid fiberglass in the well where it was supposed it go. New mounting nuts and lockwashers, and now it’s like brand new. I am more than pleased with how it came out. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/went-out-for-some-folding-chairs/273565.md?page=9)