# What do you need to look for when guying a dsm? **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 8, 2006, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466 "2006-10-08T05:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![imported\_Sleeper](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_sleeper/32/5939_2.png) [@imported\_Sleeper](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_Sleeper)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/41 "2006-10-11T21:12:59Z")
Check to see if it is a DSM first of all,if it is…stay away ---
**Author:** ![burnyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/burnyd/32/6020_2.png) [@burnyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/burnyd)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/42 "2006-10-11T21:52:06Z")
> [@Do you have a blackberry? Clicky](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-have-a-blackberry-clicky/25007/2): > > IDK wut all these people are saying about y buy a DSM, there are people on Long Island and New York City (where i am from) that are running stock motors w/ turbo and built autop trannys running consostant 11’s so with a stock motor and just turbo/mani upgrade wuts wrong with wanting to go fast?? but anyway…trannys are huge, make sure the syncros are good, feel all the gears out at different rpms. watch for the tranny mounts also, i have heard horror stories, Other then that any leaks as usual, and if the cams or head has been worked on, get the timing checked out to, cause al ot of times kid don’t know wut they are doing in their “backyard” garage and yeah! Best of luck DSM’s, and Evo’s 😃 > > Good places of reference: > [evolutionm.net](http://evolutionm.net) > [dsmtuners.com](http://dsmtuners.com) > etc. > > Good Luck! yes thats what every dsm owner does… gets the biggest turbo they can get on a stock motor and say there going to run 11s… well they might get one or two passes in … so in NY do you guys have AAA? Its worth purchase with A DSM… ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2006, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/43 "2006-10-12T15:28:04Z")
dude, seriously… a DSM as a daily driver? Buy a subaru if you want AWD. ---
**Author:** ![burnyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/burnyd/32/6020_2.png) [@burnyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/burnyd)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/44 "2006-10-12T16:18:18Z")
how much are you getting it for? Have you ever looked into a alltrac? ---
**Author:** ![HaNnIBaL64](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hannibal64/32/5954_2.png) [@HaNnIBaL64](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HaNnIBaL64)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2006, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/45 "2006-10-12T21:06:16Z")
looking right around 7 - 9k ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2006, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/46 "2006-10-12T21:15:46Z")
> [@Can I build a 1000+ Horsepower engine? Apparently so.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/can-i-build-a-1000-horsepower-engine-apparently-so/24902/145): > > how much are you getting it for? Have you ever looked into a alltrac? I’m not going to say Alltracs are bad cars, but DSMs have incredible aftermarket support. Sure, stuff breaks on them, but only because there are so many out there, and so many people beat the piss out of them without proper maintenance. I had a 90 AWD, and I would definitely buy another, but just as with most things in life, I’d be a little more discerning. ---
**Author:** ![burnyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/burnyd/32/6020_2.png) [@burnyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/burnyd)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2006, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/47 "2006-10-13T11:57:04Z")
> [@Help me figure this one out - (Towing Question)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/help-me-figure-this-one-out-towing-question/25040/11): > > I’m not going to say Alltracs are bad cars, but DSMs have incredible aftermarket support. Sure, stuff breaks on them, but only because there are so many out there, and so many people beat the piss out of them without proper maintenance. > > I had a 90 AWD, and I would definitely buy another, but just as with most things in life, I’d be a little more discerning. Yes but alltrac are reliable… good enough for a daily driver. Ct26 turbo last for a long time and a 3sgte motor if not abused can see over 200k. Its a great design and its a nice looking car. ---
**Author:** ![DTMVENG24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DTMVENG24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DTMVENG24)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2006, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/48 "2006-10-13T13:27:25Z")
So through all of the horror stories i here about dsm’s and such. What if its truly going to be a dd and no mods added. I mean truly a dd to get u back to work and such,are they that bad??? I mean are they that unreliable that they fail under normal use. Cause i actually thought about buying a 99 Gsx cause i like the way they look and overall just like the cars but from here say it seems like a bad decision to get one. Just curious.🆒 🆒 I love cars and all but i dont want something thats going to need constant maintenance and such. Just your basic maintenance and tuneups. I dont plan on breaking the speed of sound with it or running 10sec at the track. Just a nice car thats decently quick. Any thoughts??? ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2006, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/49 "2006-10-13T13:35:18Z")
apparenltyh not if mine was a dd up to 140k miles before it needed anything ---
**Author:** ![DTMVENG24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DTMVENG24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DTMVENG24)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2006, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/50 "2006-10-13T13:46:03Z")
Sounds good to me. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2006, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/51 "2006-10-13T14:38:00Z")
> [@To the UB Student with the RX8](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/to-the-ub-student-with-the-rx8/25047/14): > > Yes but alltrac are reliable… good enough for a daily driver. Ct26 turbo last for a long time and a 3sgte motor if not abused can see over 200k. Its a great design and its a nice looking car. The mitsu 14b lasts a long time, many a 4g63 has passed the 200k mark, and DSMs are good looking cars too. Again, I’m not bashing the Toyota, but I don’t think it is greatly superior to a DSM, perhaps not at all. The reliability is more about abuse/maintenance than the cars themselves. I think you’ll be fine, so long as you do proper maintenance, and you resist the urge to crank up the boost long enough to have proper supporting mods. Get a boost gauge and a datalogger before doing any mods. Learn to use the datalogger, and you shouldn’t ever grenade a motor. ---
**Author:** ![burnyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/burnyd/32/6020_2.png) [@burnyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/burnyd)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2006, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/52 "2006-10-13T14:54:46Z")
> [@hayabusa had sex with a chopper!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hayabusa-had-sex-with-a-chopper/25048/22): > > The mitsu 14b lasts a long time, many a 4g63 has passed the 200k mark, and DSMs are good looking cars too. Again, I’m not bashing the Toyota, but I don’t think it is greatly superior to a DSM, perhaps not at all. > > The reliability is more about abuse/maintenance than the cars themselves. > > I think you’ll be fine, so long as you do proper maintenance, and you resist the urge to crank up the boost long enough to have proper supporting mods. Get a boost gauge and a datalogger before doing any mods. Learn to use the datalogger, and you shouldn’t ever grenade a motor. oh yah power wise I if I wasnt pro 3sgte I out of all the 2.0l turbo motors it seems like 4g has everythign beat hands down… .but as for reliability out of all the awd turbo cars alltrac in my eyes is the absolute best. I meen lets face it Subu blows transmissions DSM’s Break EVO’s are overpriced and too nice to be driven in the winter time. Alltracs are slow but a good daily driven vehicle. Theres not really a ton of problems with a bone stock 3sgte engine I meen honestly after so much mileage they leak oil from the valve seals but what doesnt. DSM Motors are great… I have never owned a dsm but from there reupation it seems there are being repaired more than being driven. ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2006, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/53 "2006-10-14T06:23:37Z")
dsms only break when modified, if he’s keeping it stock as a DD your theory is irrelevant ---
**Author:** ![danl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8baadc/32.png) [@danl](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/danl)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/54 "2006-10-14T18:01:34Z")
DSM’s break when improperly modified yes. My quote for owning a dsm is “I’ve never broken anything by doing something smart”. With that said, I haven’t broken in 2 years of racing this bitch and when I did 3 years ago it was breaking an axle. ---
**Author:** ![FourGee6Tee3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b5ac83/32.png) [@FourGee6Tee3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FourGee6Tee3)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2006, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466/55 "2006-10-15T21:05:06Z")
> [@How to steal the soul of an FD - SOLD](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-to-steal-the-soul-of-an-fd-sold/24871/58): > > DSM’s break when improperly modified yes. My quote for owning a dsm is “I’ve never broken anything by doing something smart”. With that said, I haven’t broken in 2 years of racing this bitch and when I did 3 years ago it was breaking an axle. Amen [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-need-to-look-for-when-guying-a-dsm/185466.md?page=2)