# What ever happened to real racing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [June 23, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977 "2009-06-23T14:09:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/41 "2009-06-24T19:44:41Z")
> [@What should I do? Ver. Drivetrain options](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-should-i-do-ver-drivetrain-options/19846/10): > > Fuck it, using your logic, it’s all technology from the 1800’s. NASCAR has done tremendous things within their rules restrictions. The reliability of the motors run that long at that high of an rpm with those rules on capacity are remarkable. PJB’s point is that the RULES have limited them to 60s/70s technology (carbs, 4 speeds, etc) where other series have progressed with the times. F1 is using kinetic energy recovery systems and LeMans prototypes are running on ethanol. They are at the frontier of technology, NASCAR is stuck doing the best they can with the same stuff they’ve had for years. What they’ve done is impressive, just not relevant to the age we live in. Dirtbikes even have electronic FI now. I dont hate NASCAR nor is this post meant to insult them (in fact I complimented their accomplishments twice), but you’re still supposed to say “you’re superiority complex bla bla bla my penis” and we move on. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/42 "2009-06-24T19:47:34Z")
Srsly look how lont it took to get them some home brew splitter and a little ass wing :rofl ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/43 "2009-06-24T19:47:48Z")
> [@Hey Chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hey-chino/19833/11): > > PJB another senseless post from you in this thread and you are getting neg bombed Back on topic, there’s been some decent racing recently, even in Grand Am: [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/7/8/78b6c842cc7d5ba587ba9617460eea5adc566e07.jpeg "Watkins Glen 2009 - Bill Auberlen & Joey Hand") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-XpOZ13ZBY) Also, watch the Grand Am Koni GS race from Mid-O (aired last weekend). I’m still catching up on the European stuff. Sidebar: Sebastian Vettel. F1 @ Silverstone. Epic. Domination. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/44 "2009-06-24T19:48:32Z")
> [@Hey Chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hey-chino/19833/11): > > PJB another senseless post from you in this thread and you are getting neg bombed like I give a fuck ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/45 "2009-06-24T21:25:30Z")
> [@Should i move?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/should-i-move/19839/27): > > NASCAR has done tremendous things within their rules restrictions. The reliability of the motors run that long at that high of an rpm with those rules on capacity are remarkable. > > PJB’s point is that the RULES have limited them to 60s/70s technology (carbs, 4 speeds, etc) where other series have progressed with the times. F1 is using kinetic energy recovery systems and LeMans prototypes are running on ethanol. They are at the frontier of technology, NASCAR is stuck doing the best they can with the same stuff they’ve had for years. What they’ve done is impressive, just not relevant to the age we live in. Dirtbikes even have electronic FI now. > > I dont hate NASCAR nor is this post meant to insult them (in fact I complimented their accomplishments twice), but you’re still supposed to say “you’re superiority complex bla bla bla my penis” and we move on. No, I understand your point. Who cares about the carbs and 4 speeds though, really? Does that make the race any less, or more exciting to watch? I’m sure the cars are more reliable with a carb than if they had FI, plus the lack of technology can actually make the race more fun to watch, which should be all that matters to us at home. ---
**Author:** ![n\_cole](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n_cole/32/6382_2.png) [@n\_cole](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n_cole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/46 "2009-06-25T06:15:06Z")
I feel like this might get good.:popc: ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/47 "2009-06-25T12:46:26Z")
Lets race dinosaurs ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_K](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeff_k/32/6431_2.png) [@Jeff\_K](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeff_K)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/48 "2009-06-25T13:47:13Z")
> [@Real Big...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/real-big/19850/21): > > No, I understand your point. > > Who cares about the carbs and 4 speeds though, really? Does that make the race any less, or more exciting to watch? I’m sure the cars are more reliable with a carb than if they had FI, plus the lack of technology can actually make the race more fun to watch, which should be all that matters to us at home. Does newer technology make the racing better? Maybe…maybe not. It does however drive faster development of technology. If there was a popular alternative fuel racing series (keyword being popular) then there would be all sorts of new technology popping up way faster than any gov’t funded shit. If Ferrari and McLaren can develop a high performance version of what is essentially a hybrid engine in 1 offseason just imagine what could be done if all of NASCAR had some newer technology requirements with the tons of cash that is thrown at the series. Really the only stuff that NASCAR has provided to the mass public (aka Joe Blow that drives a stock civic or a taurus) is safety related. I’m sure provides more to you guys with V8 domestics and anyone with a V8 camry(:retardclap). But for the average public other racing series provide more technological improvements to regular cars for non-enthusiasts. ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/49 "2009-06-25T19:14:40Z")
idk if its been said, bc im not reading the entire thread, but they had that gay soltice cup thing on speed a while back and the VW race too ---
**Author:** ![1320-20V](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320-20v/32/6474_2.png) [@1320-20V](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320-20V)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/50 "2009-06-26T17:11:25Z")
The SCCA Valvoline runoffs is the best stock racing you will ever see on television. Unfortunately its only a few hours of programming a year. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/51 "2009-06-26T17:21:03Z")
> [@SOLD](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sold/19248/13): > > The SCCA Valvoline runoffs is the best stock racing you will ever see on television. Unfortunately its only a few hours of programming a year. Maybe it’ll be at least entertaining because it’s not at Topeka this year. The runoffs are entertaining, but far from the best racing, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/52 "2009-06-26T17:21:27Z")
> [@so i was thinking about buying 2 or 3 machine guns...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-i-was-thinking-about-buying-2-or-3-machine-guns/19898/5): > > idk if its been said, bc im not reading the entire thread, but they had that gay soltice cup thing on speed a while back > > and the VW race too TDI Cup is good racing. those guys/girls put up alot to do that, very competitive racing. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/53 "2009-06-26T17:27:03Z")
> [@oh mister newman....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-mister-newman/19861/107): > > TDI Cup is at least entertaining. those guys/girls are total hacks, very competitive bumper cars. Fixed that for you. :eek ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/54 "2009-06-26T17:27:11Z")
This would actually be alot of fun ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/55 "2009-06-26T17:28:27Z")
> [@wtb large sheets of mdf](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-large-sheets-of-mdf/19916/8): > > Fixed that for you. > > :eek its all amatuer racing with low budgets. when you started you werent at the level you are either. everyone has to start somewhere right ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/56 "2009-06-26T17:30:08Z")
Wasn’t making a personal comparison. Just saying those guys have some series body shop expenses. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/57 "2009-06-26T17:31:35Z")
> [@Help Juan find some shoes for his TL](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/help-juan-find-some-shoes-for-his-tl/19923/3): > > Wasn’t making a personal comparison. Just saying those guys have some series body shop expenses. c’mon, rubbin’s racin’ right? :clap they certainly make alot of contact/off road excursions ---
**Author:** ![1320-20V](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320-20v/32/6474_2.png) [@1320-20V](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320-20V)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/58 "2009-06-26T17:42:18Z")
> [@Needed: Car Detail on Sunday morning](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/needed-car-detail-on-sunday-morning/19927/2): > > Maybe it’ll be at least entertaining because it’s not at Topeka this year. The runoffs are entertaining, but far from the best racing, IMHO. The OP specifically stated stock production cars. What racing do you think is better with stock cars than the runoffs? I struggle to think of a televised racing series with stock cars besides the runoffs. Clearly there is better racing to watch, but with stock cars? I cant think of any. And answer my text message! ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/59 "2009-06-26T17:46:42Z")
I thought it was ‘production car racing,’ to include pretty much everything except open wheel formula stuff and LMP cars. BTCC, SWC, and WTCC would make up some of the best prod car racing I’ve ever seen. But point taken, the proper national level grassroots stuff is etremely well driven. Text answered. Turned phone off hours ago haha. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeremiah/32/6318_2.png) [@Jeremiah](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeremiah)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977/60 "2009-06-27T11:09:48Z")
SPEED attempts to get some coverage but is far too cluttered with Nascar and Pumpmyride bullshit…but they do air a small amount of the SCCA runoff’s, Speed World Challenge, Koni challenge, Rolex sports car, F1(also a few races shown on Fox this year), GP2 and I’m sure I’m forgetting some others. Versus just signed a deal with Speedcast TV and will start airing some NASA races. First race aired yesterday actually…was a Spec Miata race from Miller motorsports park. Speedcast TV claims that by next year…Versus will air “the most enhanced video coverage seen to date”. I haven’t watched the race yet…but it’s on my DVR. There’s also word of BBC America to start broadcasting some BTCC by next year. It’s out there…you just have to find it. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-ever-happened-to-real-racing/244977.md?page=2)