# What would you do? (GM Situation) **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 22, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-would-you-do-gm-situation/201960 "2009-02-22T16:16:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 19
**Author:** ![tom\_vito](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tom_vito/32/6000_2.png) [@tom\_vito](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tom_vito)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-would-you-do-gm-situation/201960/19 "2009-02-23T15:29:26Z")
> [@MNF v. F the Pats](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mnf-v-f-the-pats/39688/21): > > i think they need to make some concessions, but you cant pay them what other auto makers out of the country pay. do you think doctors should make the same here as India? it is a totally different market here. doctors don’t make what they charge here. If you have any healthcare insurance, goto the doctor and then read the statment that the insurance providers sens you. Most doctors, hospitals, ect. have negotiated standard fees for standard procedures. Even though your doctor may charge $120.00 for an office visit, he is is only getting $35.00 from the insurance plus co-pay, in my case another $10.00, for a total of $45.00 for a bill ge thought was worth $120.00. > [@A10 warthog](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a10-warthog/39676/21): > > the union is going to sink this ship just like the steel industry…You can’t do nothing and put out mediocre products and get paid like they do. I saw a number on the news a couple of months ago that if you add up all a GM employees pay, health care, 401k, etc it comes out to be $70+/an hour. That is ridiculous! I went to the manufacturers auto show at the convention center and even sitting in a brand new z06 I was very let down by the interior, not going into the performance part of that vehicle because we all know it pulls its weight on that end but for 70k on the sticker I expected a lot more. Its just the union, they think they deserve more and more and more and they keep doing less and less and less. Unions are out of control. I get in this argument with my family all the time because my grandfather was a steel worker and a union president for god knows how many years but i watched for years as he just kept getting more and more and now the industry is gone and its all because the unions destroyed it. The unions only stay because of the dead beats. A guy that goes to work everyday, does his job, and causes no trouble will never need a union. They only protect the workers that want to blow off every other day, thats wants to come to work drunk and high, and that wants to cause more hassles for the boss than getting work done. If most of these types of employees were gone, you would be paying less for the final product, and would have no need for a union. The unions love them, and they love the unions. > [@MNF v. F the Pats](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mnf-v-f-the-pats/39688/38): > > Sorry to the people I offend here. > > 1. Throw away current union contract or Fire every overpaid slug that works there. > > 2. Keep current employees that are prepared to take a pay cut in order to save their jobs and Hire new blood at a competitive wage, but not insanity like $28 an hour ecspecially for an unskilled position. > > 3)Make workers pay something for benefits ( I pay like $12 a week for mine, boo hoo medical is expensive and companies shouldnt have to take care of it all) > > 1. offer profit sharing/bonuses for better quality of products or more units sold. Or some sort of postive recognition to do a better job. > > 2. Stop giving raises for no reason, other than a union contract says employees are entitled to one no matter how shitty their performance is. A raise should be given for better performance/production or quality. > > 3. Also make work place safety a huge issue, most companies get their lunch eaten by bullshit injuries/comp. Number 6 is a huge expense any way you look at it. Either you pay out the ass for training, or you pay out the ass for bullshit injuries/comp. claims. Either way your gonna pay. If you really want to lower yor work place bullshit claims, give everyone an incentive. An extra $.10 an hour for every year of no lost time accidents. Something like that, at least in the end your getting something for your money. And back to the subject at hand, you cant fix a broken wheel by replaceing it with a broken wheel. If the goverment wants to fix the auto industry, they need to step in, remove any and all mangement, remove any and all unions, and start over fresh. But as soon as you let the unions back in, your just working yourself back into the black hole they are currently in. Hell look at steel, if any of you all remember the '80s and the fall of steel, it’s starting to look like arepeat again to me. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-would-you-do-gm-situation/201960)._