# What's wrong with autox??? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [June 2, 2008, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407 "2008-06-02T13:19:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/181 "2008-06-04T10:52:48Z")
> [@chino](#): > > our company is working on making better cement compounds, maybe i can convince them to launch a project testing it for race courses and build one for us in buffalo ? šŸ™‚ or use it for cement boots. lots of folks on here that can use them ---
**Author:** ![93mr2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/90db22/32.png) [@93mr2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/93mr2)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/182 "2008-06-04T10:53:52Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I understand the logistics of scheduling but 6 and 7 week gaps seems excessive. Itā€™s not like in the past I wasnā€™t at events hearing things like ā€œso and so isnā€™t here because theyā€™re at event XYZā€. If it comes down to a choice between really long gaps and having some conflicts maybe conflicts is the better choice. Assuming the big gaps are contributing to the new/young crowd not sticking around anyway. I believe this is a regional rule for us (FLR) ---
**Author:** ![sureshot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot/32/7578_2.png) [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/183 "2008-06-04T10:55:49Z")
If FSAE can use UB, why canā€™t scca get in there also? ---
**Author:** ![dp2387](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dp2387](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dp2387)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/184 "2008-06-04T11:02:07Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > 110 people at BIMP last year, and you scheduled it on fatherā€™s day no less, a day when a lot of people specifically said they didnā€™t come because they had plans with family. > > Compared to 80 the event before it and 75 the event after it. > > 43% increase in participation even though some people didnā€™t come because the date was bad for them. > > Itā€™s the only event you have scheduled this year that has pre-registration over 60 (67 right now), with the much more hyped Seneca event having 48. That despite the rumblings that Batavia wasnā€™t even going to happen because of bankrupcy issues. Yeah, and we still come close to loosing money there every time. If it rains there we are totally screwed. Thatā€™s a big risk to keep a lot of ā€œone eventersā€ happy. If it seemed like it was acting as more of a recruitment tool then it would be a better risk, but the same people just keep on showing up year after year just that one time. ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/185 "2008-06-04T11:06:09Z")
> [@dp2387](#): > > Yeah, and we still come close to loosing money there every time. If it rains there we are totally screwed. Thatā€™s a big risk to keep a lot of ā€œone eventersā€ happy. If it seemed like it was acting as more of a recruitment tool then it would be a better risk, but the same people just keep on showing up year after year just that one time. Then there is obviously a reason why those one-timers are not attending other events, and it should be addressed. What is different from BIMP than any other event? Is it the percieved ā€œcourseā€ feeling that people get from it, or is there something different about the way it is run? ---
**Author:** ![dp2387](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dp2387](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dp2387)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/186 "2008-06-04T11:06:31Z")
> [@sureshot!](#): > > If FSAE can use UB, why canā€™t scca get in there also? There are a lot of reasons we donā€™t run UB. The 2 big ones being that those curbs are big and they hurt cars, and that last time they wanted to charge us for marking up their parking lines. And really, none of the lots are big enough for a fun safe course. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/187 "2008-06-04T11:08:05Z")
> [@sureshot007](#): > > You keep saying 6-7 week gap, but what you really mean is a long gap between running ECCN. ā€¦ I know that there is no perfect solution, but we are just trying to figure out what will please the majority. And this thread is about discussing why the current solution isnā€™t pleasing everyone right? I donā€™t know if the big gap between **local** events is contributing, but I think it might be so I threw it out there. As for UB, I was there for the only recent event SCCA ran there and it didnā€™t go very well. First, the lot was too small. Second, the campus police showed up because all the Joe like people who live on campus were crying about cars waking them up at 10:30am. Third, they wanted us to pay for resurfacing the lot after we ran there because of our tire marks. If youā€™ve got a connection at UB who might be able to cut through all that BS Iā€™m sure Dave would love to talk to them. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot/32/7578_2.png) [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/188 "2008-06-04T11:09:06Z")
> [@dp2387](#): > > There are a lot of reasons we donā€™t run UB. The 2 big ones being that those curbs are big and they hurt cars, and that last time they wanted to charge us for marking up their parking lines. > And really, none of the lots are big enough for a fun safe course. What about using a paint that washes away with the rain or something? Also they have expanded a lot recently, maybe there is a new alternative? Or maybe Buff State, or a different ECC lot? Just throwing out ideas to possibly help, not being argumentative. :tup: edit: Didnā€™t realize it was the tire marks. That sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/189 "2008-06-04T11:09:38Z")
Iā€™ve never been to one and wouldnā€™t mind giving it a shot, but at the moment, I donā€™t want to put my DD in danger of breaking. If I had a second car that I didnā€™t really care much about, Iā€™d be interested. ---
**Author:** ![dp2387](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dp2387](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dp2387)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/190 "2008-06-04T11:11:25Z")
> [@Bigairskier1580](#): > > Then there is obviously a reason why those one-timers are not attending other events, and it should be addressed. > > What is different from BIMP than any other event? Is it the percieved ā€œcourseā€ feeling that people get from it, or is there something different about the way it is run? Itā€™s run no different. Some people just like road courses better which is fine. But on the otherhand thereā€™s a fair number of people who donā€™t bother with it either. Itā€™s something we do to keep people happy. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/191 "2008-06-04T11:12:06Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > Iā€™ve never been to one and wouldnā€™t mind giving it a shot, but at the moment, I donā€™t want to put my DD in danger of breaking. > > If I had a second car that I didnā€™t really care much about, Iā€™d be interested. chances of auto-x breaking your car is pretty minimal. You should have seen the car I drove last time(No offense Jeremy). ---
**Author:** ![sureshot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot/32/7578_2.png) [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/192 "2008-06-04T11:13:35Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > Iā€™ve never been to one and wouldnā€™t mind giving it a shot, but at the moment, I donā€™t want to put my DD in danger of breaking. > > If I had a second car that I didnā€™t really care much about, Iā€™d be interested. You should try it out, even if just onceā€¦ or come check out a local event so you can get a feel for it. Hell, come and see if you can get a ride with someoneā€¦ almost everyone would welcome a co-driver ( unless its the last run ). I believe last years curbings were a rare eventā€¦ this year there havenā€™t been any accidents~ ---
**Author:** ![dp2387](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dp2387](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dp2387)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/193 "2008-06-04T11:14:11Z")
> [@sureshot!](#): > > What about using a paint that washes away with the rain or something? Also they have expanded a lot recently, maybe there is a new alternative? Or maybe Buff State, or a different ECC lot? Just throwing out ideas to possibly help, not being argumentative. :tup: > > edit: Didnā€™t realize it was the tire marks. That sucks. I havenā€™t been to UB in a few years now so I can look around to see if anything is better now. Buff State has nothing useful. We used to run at ECC-S but that was mostly cause there wasnā€™t anything better. Plus the jumps from lot to lot there can be hazardous. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/194 "2008-06-04T11:14:33Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > Iā€™ve never been to one and wouldnā€™t mind giving it a shot, but at the moment, I donā€™t want to put my DD in danger of breaking. > > If I had a second car that I didnā€™t really care much about, Iā€™d be interested. You have a better chance breaking you DD driving to work than at a regular autocross. Itā€™s not the novices who have found trouble at ECC either, itā€™s generally the experienced guys who push harder, start to lose it, try to drive out of it, and fail. The courses are designed so that you should be spinning away from things like light polls and curbs. ā€œStart to spin, both feet inā€ and you should be fine. Aka, jam the clutch and the brakes and slide to a stop instead of trying to save it, causing you to continue carrying speed while out of control and getting yourself into a portion of the course the designers never expected people to be out of control in. > [@dp2387](#): > > Plus the jumps from lot to lot there can be hazardous. šŸ‘‹ The Fiero jumped it no problem 3 times. Too bad we had more than 3 runs that day. šŸ˜‰ Might want to give ECC-S another shot though just to break up ECC-N without driving 2 hours away. Maybe some sort of course design that puts a turn just before the ramp to keep speeds down. The ramp was an issue the day I broke a ball joint because it was on the straight and if you wanted to risk the car you were hitting it well over 40mph. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/195 "2008-06-04T11:16:13Z")
when is the next event? Hell, maybe Iā€™ll talk a friend into going (and drive their car :D) it sounds like a blast edit: some of you experienced guys would have to show me the ropes and shit though. I drive like an asshole on the streets when the mood strikes, but I donā€™t want to be ā€œthat guyā€ taking out every other cone haha ---
**Author:** ![sureshot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot/32/7578_2.png) [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/196 "2008-06-04T11:17:22Z")
I suspect pitching the idea to a company is generally very difficult. Whatā€™s the process like anyways? I would assume most places just hang up the phone immediately. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/197 "2008-06-04T11:20:47Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > when is the next event? Hell, maybe Iā€™ll talk a friend into going (and drive their car :D) > > it sounds like a blast > > edit: some of you experienced guys would have to show me the ropes and shit though. I drive like an asshole on the streets when the mood strikes, but I donā€™t want to be ā€œthat guyā€ taking out every other cone haha hitting cones is HIGHLY ENCOURAGED!!! Instructors will be firm in telling you that if you are not hitting cones, you are not driving hard enough. That is why people are out, working the course. Donā€™t be a pussy about driving your car, it wont break, Almost everyone I know drives their DD. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/198 "2008-06-04T11:21:20Z")
> [@sureshot!](#): > > I suspect pitching the idea to a company is generally very difficult. Whatā€™s the process like anyways? I would assume most places just hang up the phone immediately. Thereā€™s a site acquisition packet that SCCA puts out to help (or thereā€™s supposed to be), but basically all a business owner hears when you talk about responsible car enthusiasts with national backing, a great safety record and their own insurance is, ā€œwe want to race cars around in your parking lot and get you suedā€. ---
**Author:** ![rushman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/199 "2008-06-04T11:25:57Z")
The usual response is ā€˜weā€™re not interested in that type of eventā€™. The best/easiest way in is to know someone, or, to find a lot that is currently unused. Landlords with no renters like easy money šŸ™‚ . If anyone has site suggestions, please let us know. If anyone knows someone ā€˜on the insideā€™ at ralph wilson stadium, the niagara falls airportā€¦etc, please let us know!. Its just like getting a job, the easiest way is via connections. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot/32/7578_2.png) [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/200 "2008-06-04T11:27:21Z")
Have you guys considered contacting the Lancaster airport down Walden? I donā€™t think Iā€™ve seen a plane there in forever, but i could be mistaken. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407.md?page=11)